I just looked and that setting was not turned on either so that's why I wasn't having these issues.
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > That is a great find. > I never turned that setting on, or if I did early on, I turned it off again, > which would explain why I have not experienced this issue. > > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > >>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >> >> Hi, >> >> So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have >> to do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a >> new device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of >> the issues I had. >> Here is a bit of background: >> I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate >> in the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my >> phone to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally >> upgraded about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and >> promptly regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were >> talking about. >> I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider >> offered on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, >> but all the issues were the same. >> >> For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying >> issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to >> install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but >> then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally >> I was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage >> to one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted >> people in the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp >> or Facebook the following screen where the selected app would open was >> completely inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or >> something like that. >> >> Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had >> to do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in >> most edit fields. What would happen is this: >> Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit >> field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter >> which it was). >> >> As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would >> say this: >> Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at >> start >> Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and >> I hear Voiceover say the following: >> Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end >> I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say: >> Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end >> I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says: >> Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. >> This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear: >> Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end >> Next I put in a space and it again repeats: >> Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end >> You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the >> entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and >> insertion >> point and in between it said everything I had so far typed. >> This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where >> it does not happen and Voiceover behaves as >> it should is in the Mail app in the message body field. >> Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox >> links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second >> allows you to first download it: >> >> Screen recording to play from Dropbox >> >> Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox >> >> And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester >> list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following: >> >> I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access >> (Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on >> your phone. This feature causes >> focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your >> iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent >> time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features >> concurrently. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in >> accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings >> after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to >> turn it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to >> time. Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned >> this off my text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to >> swipe twice any more in the App Store when I have updates. My Today View >> works fine, no more focus issue and the same applies when I use the share >> sheet to select an app such as Mail, WhatsApp or Messenger to share >> something. I should mention that just a few days ago I had upgraded to iOS >> 14 Public Beta 4 because somebody mentioned the focus issue was resolved or >> at least a lot less severe, but of course with full keyboard access turned >> on the problem was as bad as ever. >> >> The conclusion to all of this is that I urge everybody to check if they may >> have turned on this setting, just go to Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard >> and see if it's on. If it is please go ahead and turn it off, I think you >> might be surprised by how the iOS 14 world may suddenly become better. >> >> Best regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. 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