Sieghard: Did you update to iOS14.1 before you turned off the ‘allow full keyboard access’ setting? If you diod, did you still have the VO focus uissues then? (They’re a lot less in 14.1 in my experience than they were in 14.01.)
From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The magic fix to the iOS 14 Voiceover focus issue and all else which plagued me Hi, So, finally I am again a happy camper although I probably did not even have to do the complete erase and reset on my iPhone 11 and then setting up as a new device which I just did a few days ago hoping it would help fix some of the issues I had. Here is a bit of background: I bought an iphone 8 64 Gb two years ago and this year I did not participate in the iOS 14 public beta throughout the summer because I really needed my phone to work and could not take chances with strange issues. I finally upgraded about a week or two after iOS 14 was released in september and promptly regretted it when I experienced the many focus issues people were talking about. I then recently took advantage of a pretty good promotion my provider offered on the iPhone 11 which already had iOS 14 on it when I received it, but all the issues were the same. For one thing the Today View was broken, then there was the mildly annoying issue in the App Store where you had to swipe right twice if you want to install updates (the first time it seemed like Voiceover said "Update", but then focus would immediately jump back to the app description). And finally I was unable to share anything any longer unless it was by text or iMessage to one of the contacts which show up in the list of recently contacted people in the share sheet. As soon as I selected to share by Mail, WhatsApp or Facebook the following screen where the selected app would open was completely inaccessible with Voiceover typically stuck on Cancel or something like that. Finally I had an issue which most others did not seem to have and that had to do with something very annoying when typing on the on-screen keyboard in most edit fields. What would happen is this: Assume for example I open a message conversation and double tap on the edit field to reply to somebdy who sent me a text or iMessage (it did not matter which it was). As soon as I double tap on an iMessage conversation field Voiceover would say this: Message, text field is editing, iMessage, character mode, insertion point at start Now assume I want to start by typing "Hello", so I type the upper case H and I hear Voiceover say the following: Message, text field is editing, H, character mode, insertion point at end I now type the "e" of the word "Hello" and hear Voiceover say: Message, text field is editing, He, character mode, insertion point at end I type the first l of Hello and Voiceover says: Message, text field is editing, Hel, character mode, insertion point at end. This continues with the second l and finally when I type the final o I hear: Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end Next I put in a space and it again repeats: Message, text field is editing, Hello, character mode, insertion point at end You can see the pattern, each time I typed a letter Voiceover repeated the entire message about "message, text field is editing, character mode and insertion point and in between it said everything I had so far typed. This happened in most search fields and other edit fields, one place where it does not happen and Voiceover behaves as it should is in the Mail app in the message body field. Anybody who wants to hear what this sounded like ccan use one of the Dropbox links below, the first just plays the screen recording I made, the second allows you to first download it: Screen recording to play from Dropbox Screen recording for downloading from Dropbox And here the solution. I had posted this to jonathan Mosen's beta tester list and a wonderful gentleman, Matt McCubbin, wrote the following: I think you may have the Full Keyboard Access (Settings/Accessibility/Keyboards/Full Keyboard Access), setting enabled on your phone. This feature causes focus issues and other conflicts with VoiceOver. I’m able to replicate your iMessage issue on my end when I have the setting enabled, and I’ve also spent time troubleshooting the focus issues that result from running both features concurrently. Hope this helps, And did it ever help. I indeed had turned on this full keyboard access in accessibility settings since I came across it when I explored the settings after first downloading iOS 14 and it just seemed like it makes sense to turn it on if you use an external Bluetooth keyboard which I do from time to time. Who would think this one setting causes such havick. After I turned this off my text entry issue above just disappeared. I also don't have to swipe twice any more in the App Store when I have updates. My Today View works fine, no more focus issue and the same applies when I use the share sheet to select an app such as Mail, WhatsApp or Messenger to share something. I should mention that just a few days ago I had upgraded to iOS 14 Public Beta 4 because somebody mentioned the focus issue was resolved or at least a lot less severe, but of course with full keyboard access turned on the problem was as bad as ever. The conclusion to all of this is that I urge everybody to check if they may have turned on this setting, just go to Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard and see if it's on. If it is please go ahead and turn it off, I think you might be surprised by how the iOS 14 world may suddenly become better. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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