In that case, it sounds like something similar to the VO volume issue during phone calls that has only plagued certain 4s phones. If they are the same phones, it more strongly points toward a hardware component conflict problem affecting one or a few batches of one or a few production runs. Production runs can consist of hundreds of thousands of units. Each production run will have the same components in every unit, but as parts change during life-cycle of production, components can and will very between production runs. This can explain a problem that plagues certain units but not an entire product line version such as both of these problems, and is why I am espousing such extreme testing to ensure the problem isn't any of the other possibilities I've suggested. I go to such extreme methods when I alpha or beta test.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/10/2012, at 12:05, Len Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > I have enough troubleshooting experience to have done the below as you > describe. And, VO still ends up on the time. I am not being highly > critical of Apple nor the phone, just stating an observation that I have > duplicated many times as have several others I know who are equally > careful. This has been true both in 5.1.1 and 6.0 with my 4S. > > Regards, > -Len > > On 10/27/2012 3:52 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >> Yes, but the factor may be the person brushing the phone so lightly that >> they don't notice it after double-tapping the call button. I have done this >> and it will place the focus where the body part brushes the phone. All it >> takes is the merest contact. The touch-screen is not pressure sensitive, it >> is contact sensitive. Now, if you ensure that VO is not highlighting the >> call timer, close the phone app, have your headset connected, use the button >> on the headset chord to activate Siri, and voice-dial a number / contact, >> you will have eliminated all possibilities of touching the screen >> inadvertently. If VO starts reading the call timer then, you have definitely >> found a bug. VO remains on the field it was last on when the call screen >> pops up. Using the above method, I have never been able to cause the >> troubling behaviour. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28/10/2012, at 11:35, Len Burns <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> While I know the below happens, I have seen the same thing occur with an >>> earpiece on, phone lying on the table with nothing near it. So, I >>> believe there is something going on here that is not always a human factor. >>> >>> -Len >>> >>> On 10/27/2012 1:19 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>> Hi, also for what it's worth, I don't feel this is a bug like I've seen >>>> others say it is. If there is any sort of bug it's that if Voice Over is >>>> automatically placing focus on the timer, then yes, that needs to be >>>> addressed, however I would venture a guess, coming from a training point >>>> of view, that more often than not, it's the person who accidentally >>>> touches the timer. A good way it's been done, and it's happened to me is >>>> when I was putting the phone next to my ear, my lobe touched the screen >>>> in just the right place. I guess I have really big ears. Sure enough, >>>> the timer started telling me all the length of the call. A simple touch >>>> to somewhere else solved that problem. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>> My wife says I ask too many questions. I asked her what she meant? >>>> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>> >>>> On 10/26/2012 4:54 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >>>>> VO reads whatever is in the area you've highlighted with a touch. If >>>>> it starts reading the call timer and did not do so before, this is >>>>> because you touched, no matter how lightly, the call timer. Take the >>>>> iPhone away from your ear to activate the touch-screen and move VO to >>>>> another field either by touching a different area on the screen, or >>>>> using a right or left flick. If you have headphones on, the >>>>> touch-screen always remains active. >>>>> >>>>> To silence VO, you can either do a three-finger double-tap to mute >>>>> speech, or you can use a triple-tap of the home button to unload VO. >>>>> Just remember to use the same gesture when you are finished with your >>>>> call to get VO talking again. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 27/10/2012, at 6:40, Donald Raikes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I had the experience yesterday of making a couple of calls some with >>>>>> the wired headset and some without. >>>>>> >>>>>> In both cases, VO started talking in the middle ofthe call. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would say screen dimmed and phone locked, and on one of hte calls I >>>>>> made with the headset, it kept reading the time every few seconds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously this makes it very hard to hear the person on the other end >>>>>> of the call. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any tips on how to get VO to stop talking while I am on a call would >>>>>> be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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