Cellular providers don't do today what they did a few years ago when they 
subsidized the cost of your phone but locked you into a multiyear contract. 
Today you have a calling plan, which includes calls, texts, data and so on. You 
also have the option of buying your phone in installments, so you might pay 
$23.33 a month for 30 months to pay off a $699.99 phone. Once you pay off your 
phone then you're just paying for your calling plan.

In the old days there was no paying off your phone. You got a phone at a 
discount when you signed up for a particular contract. The price of that 
contract wouldn't change even after 36 or 48 months, long after you would have 
paid off your phone.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid tepid demand

Let me ask you something about phone contracts. 

If you pay off one, does it cost you more? I got my 11 for $648 back in January 
of 2020 on a 30-month contract of $21.57. 

I'd like to pay it off and get on a less expensive calling plan. 

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid tepid demand

Simon,

You can't compare providers in NZ/Australia or Europe with North America 
although while here in Canada there aren't nearly as many choices as in Europe 
or even the US, we have a fairly regulated industry and 2 or 3 years ago our 
government oversight organisation ruled that providers can't lock their phones 
any more so now any phone you buy in Canada whether it's from Apple direct or a 
carrier has to be unlocked.
As for keeping your customers I never understood what locking a phone had to do 
with it especially if carriers have to unlock their phones for no charge after 
6 months or even after the contract is up. It's the contract which forces you 
to stick with your carrier for the duration of said contract not whether the 
phone is locked so even if I have an unlocked phone, if I received a phone for 
a discounted price in return for committing to a 2-year contract then I'm still 
locked in for 2 years and if I want out I have to pay out the contract.

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid tepid demand

Hey Richard,

We say a dogs breakfast here in NZ and I think they say the same in Australia 
also.

 You don't pay for 5g,
That's great,
I don't think my city has 5g yet let alone paying to have the service as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 11:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid tepid demand

A "pig's breakfast", now I like that image for what Kelly's carrier did, grin.
If I jump to a 13, a big if since I just got the SE 2020 last year; I'm glad to 
know that my carrier, Xfinity does not charge for the 5 G service.
I too would buy from Apple direct then get the SIM from Xfinity.


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 3:11 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> Just out of curiosity, who is your cell phone carrier because they made a 
> real pig's breakfast of your order and I wouldn't want to experience 
> something similar. I have much better luck buying my new iPhones directly 
> from apple.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 12:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid 
> tepid demand
> 
> For those wondering, I originally planned to upgrade to an iPhone 12 Mini, 
> but my cell phone carrier sent me a regular iPhone 12 instead.
> It took a few weeks to return the phone and receive a full refund. As it 
> turns out, the phone could not be returned without activating the new SIM 
> card sent with the iPhone 12. When the new SIM was activated, the SIM in my 
> iPhone 7 was instantly deactivated. Instead of giving me a new SIM for my 
> iPhone 7, the cell phone store put the iPhone 12 SIM in my iPhone 7. Because 
> the network showed the iPhone 12 SIM in active use, the actual iPhone 12 SIM 
> return could not be processed.
> Eventually, the iPhone 12 SIM was deactivated and I returned to the cell 
> phone store to return my phone and have a new SIM put into my iPhone 7.  
> Apparently, cell phone companies are extremely picky associating the data 
> attached to each SIM to the exact device. Part of the issue is that the 
> iPhone 12 is a 5g device and needs to access certain frequencies not used by 
> the 7. Therefore, it would be a waste of network resources to set aside 
> resources for my 7 on 5g frequencies when they cannot be used.
> 
> After the return was processed at the national service center, I was not 
> credited for my initial down payment so I needed to call customer service for 
> resolution.  Once my account issues were resolved, I discovered all the 256GB 
> iPhone Minis were on a more than two-week backorder.  Now it sounds like the 
> backorder has cleared, but it is about six months before the release of the 
> 2021 iPhone lineup. With a vastly improved 5G chip from QUALCOMM, increased 
> battery size, more storage, and LiDAR technology on all phones, this year s 
> lineup is set to be more impressive than the iPhone 12 series. This is why I 
> will be waiting for the new iPhone mini rather than upgrading now. I very 
> much like the new design that started with the 12 series of distinctive 
> colors and flat edges, making it feel like a premium computational tool. The 
> rounded edge design that began with the iPhone 6 in 2014 suggested to me the 
> phone was a 1960s science experiment.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On 3/15/21, Dan Yates <danneyya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Got my iPhone mini in December and have enjoyed it, no problems that 
>> I have seen so far! Definitely like the scaled down size! Had the 
>> iPhone X r before!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 11:06 PM, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?That's what Microsoft did with office 13, They called it version 14 
>>> due to the super stission Of the number 13,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2021 4:02 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid 
>>> tepid demand
>>> 
>>> He said he is planning to replace his current iPhone 7 with the 2021 
>>> Mini, this would be the upcoming iPhone 13 Mini or whatever it will 
>>> be called, some think Apple won't call this year's iPhones by the 
>>> number 13 because of the supersticious nonsense regarding that number.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>> Of Maria Campbell
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 7:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid 
>>> tepid demand
>>> 
>>> I seriously considered the 12 mini before deciding on the SE20.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maria Campbell
>>> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do 
>>> nothing.
>>> --Edmund Burke
>>> 
>>>> On 3/12/2021 11:28 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
>>>> I am planning on replacing my iPhone 7 with the 2021 iPhone Mini. I 
>>>> very much want a smaller device with the same functionality of the 
>>>> bigger phones. Battery size is relative. The iPhone 7, released in 
>>>> 2016, as a battery size of 1960 milliampere hours. The iPhone 8 and 
>>>> SE second generation have battery sizes of 1820 mAh.  The iPhone 12 
>>>> mini has a battery size of 2227 mAh, bigger than the iPhone 7 and 8 
>>>> but smaller than the regular iPhone 12 which is 2815 mAh.  When 
>>>> compared in actual use, which Apple wants consumers to consider, 
>>>> the
>>>> 12 Mini plays audio and video longer than the 7 or 8.  I bought the
>>>> 7 in October 2016 and have not changed the battery since. It still 
>>>> lasts a reasonable amount.  People like to find something on which 
>>>> to criticize an Apple device without placing their criticism in context.
>>>> The other criticism is that Apple phones have shorter battery life 
>>>> than Android flagship phones. Apple could easily increase the 
>>>> thickness of the phones, but people want light digital tools in 
>>>> their hands and pockets not bricks.
>>>> 
>>>> Kelly
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/11/21, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> Interesting,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have t heard of anyone  purchasing one yet but I was lead to 
>>>>> believe that the battery life wasn t great in the mini,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was really the size that they were pushing as a replacement 
>>>>> size or format to that of the SE but with the face id and 5g features.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder what this does for the 13 s format range.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:30 am
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid 
>>>>> tepid demand
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple reportedly cuts iPhone 12 mini production amid tepid demand 
>>>>> Mikey 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> Watch the Latest from AppleInsider TV
>>>>> 
>>>>> The BEST MagSafe Accessories for iPhone 12! (So Far!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple introduced iPhone 12 mini last fall as an alternative to its 
>>>>> flagship range, which has over the years entered into "phablet"
>>>>> territory. Though it sports a modest 5.4-inch display, the 12 mini 
>>>>> integrates all the trappings of a modern iPhone including 5G 
>>>>> connectivity, A14 Bionic processor, dual 12MP cameras with optical 
>>>>> image stabilization, Face ID authentication and more.
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