Are you an attorney?Can you prove your statements? I doube it! -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. --Edmund Burke On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the > digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, > because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you > agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> >> wrote: >> >> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. >> Or if you can, I have never heard of it. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >> what they become by it." >> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 >> >> Web site: www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, >> worth reading and considering >> >> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from >> audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to >> mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot >> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled >> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, >> it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write >> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. >> >>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: >>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is >>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, >>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books. >>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to >>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend >>> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available >>> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. >>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or >>> especially Kindle. >>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download >>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. >>> She would buy the book. >>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with >>> Amazon. >>> That's BS! >>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not >>> holding my breath. >>> My friend really needs human read books. >>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn >>> powerful. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >>> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >>> rner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 >>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno >>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL >>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu >>> CkK1%2BQ%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are >>> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such >>> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to >>> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many >>> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would >>> make many of them feel insantly defensive. >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Richard Turner >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio >>> books, worth reading and considering >>> >>> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, >>> that is your right. >>> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. >>> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this >>> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, >>> period. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >>> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >>> rner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 >>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno >>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL >>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu >>> CkK1%2BQ%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". >>> It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" >>> or "the government is evil". >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Richard Turner >>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio >>> books, worth reading and considering >>> >>> I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole >>> heartedly with the sentiment. >>> >>> The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on >>> July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks >>> >>> We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you >>> to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are >>> fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent >>> independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, >>> called Audible Exclusives. >>> >>> One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why >>> certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime >>> by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. >>> >>> Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a >>> story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July >>> 15, 2020 >>> >>> While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than >>> 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable >>> due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors >>> to Amazon’s Audible. >>> >>> What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? >>> >>> we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes >>> an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? >>> did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa >>> (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 >>> >>> For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only >>> from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but >>> for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. >>> >>> It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through >>> Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or >>> distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. >>> >>> Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive >>> audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. >>> >>> How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? >>> >>> This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins >>> with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by >>> Audible in >>> 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and >>> rights-holders to create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook >>> Exclusive is made by authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who >>> is granted the audio rights to a book. >>> >>> Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties >>> to creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for >>> Exclusive distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their >>> audiobook to other audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn >>> 15% to 20% less of retail sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards >>> exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why authors and publishers spring for this >>> opportunity. >>> >>> Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of >>> Audible. They pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), >>> Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color >>> Purple) giant sums to keep their audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and >>> prevent bookstores and libraries from selling and distributing them. >>> >>> What does this mean for audiobook distribution? >>> >>> Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" >>> exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through >>> the library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and >>> "Handmaid's Tale."— Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019 >>> >>> Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with >>> Amazon cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This >>> means Libro.fm can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means >>> our 1,200 bookstore partners can’t sell them, either. >>> >>> Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries >>> are pissssssed by that move. >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co% >>> 2FhKuU3JSCFq%25E2%2580%2594&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d >>> 08d91f9d57a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901 >>> 799642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJ >>> BTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HRBCvIl6g2eoUFNu%2BL%2FOe >>> rZYDUYQyOWHDq09R7BT2Zo%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protec >>> tion.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhKuU3JSCFq%25E2%2580%2594&a >>> mp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640 >>> afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3 >>> d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7 >>> C1000&sdata=HRBCvIl6g2eoUFNu%2BL%2FOerZYDUYQyOWHDq09R7BT2Zo%3D& >>> ;reserved=0> >>> ☘🌈💰Jen is Irish everyday💰🌈☘ (@JentoInfinity) February 7, 2019 >>> >>> Audible Exclusives also work in direct opposition to the basic >>> principles of libraries—free access to books, both digital and print. >>> By limiting distribution, Amazon aids in making books, perspectives, >>> and information inaccessible to certain communities and users. >>> >>> To reiterate: There are audiobooks being published that bookstores >>> cannot sell, and libraries cannot lend. >>> >>> This hurts bookstores because they are consistently missing out on >>> sales for big releases. When they aren’t able to sell audiobooks that >>> are in high demand, potential customers will opt for Audible over >>> their local bookstores. This, of course, only continues to increase >>> Audible’s (and ultimately Amazon’s) power and influence within the >>> publishing industry, resulting in more Exclusive deals and >>> increasingly restricted access to audiobooks for the rest of the market. >>> >>> Because audiobooks are a digital product, they’re inherently easier >>> for Amazon to monopolize. For example, the superstar-stacked audiobook >>> for The Sandman by Neil Gaiman and DC Comics is only available on Audible: >>> >>> Full-cast audiobook Sandman adaptation is a FANTASTIC idea – that I >>> can't even get excited about properly because it's a freaking Audible >>> exclusive. >>> Which means libraries are excluded. Which means our patrons are >>> excluded. So that's fun. #libcomix— Matthew Noe 😔💜 (@NoetheMatt) May >>> 13, 2020 >>> >>> Audiobooks are also a vital means of access for some readers with >>> disabilities: >>> >>> due to disabilities, some people need audiobooks to read. people with >>> disabilities are more likely to be underemployed/unemployed, thus they >>> rely on the library for access to audiobooks.amazon putting a pay wall >>> between someone’s disabled audience and their book is hot garbage.— >>> whitney 🧸 >>> (@ginkgo_ghost) November 14, 2019 >>> >>> How else does Audible bar audiobook access? >>> >>> Audible pays some publishers to embargo new audiobook releases for 90 >>> days—meaning that for the first three months of sales, the audiobook >>> can only be found on Audible. >>> >>> Audible also doesn’t allow Libro.fm and bookstore customers to make >>> certain audiobooks redeemable with membership credits—books like The >>> Neapolitan Novels by Elena Ferrante and Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. >>> Saad. >>> >>> By rewarding Exclusive distribution, striking Exclusive deals with >>> influential authors, and paying publishers to delay the distribution >>> of new releases, Audible’s creeping monopoly pushes independent >>> bookstores and libraries out of the audiobook industry. >>> >>> I’m an author. How do I prevent Amazon’s Audible from shutting out >>> independent bookstores and libraries? >>> >>> First, understand the contract with your publisher. Are they producing >>> the audiobook, or licensing it to another publisher? Either way, add >>> language into your agreement that requires your audiobook to be sold >>> through independent bookstores and made available through libraries. >>> >>> Second, if your publisher is planning to contract or license the >>> audiobook version, ensure that your publisher puts language in their >>> licensing agreement that prevents the audiobook publisher from selling >>> your title exclusively to Amazon’s Audible. If your audiobook is >>> currently Exclusive, you might be able to change the distribution >>> rights after a year depending on the payment option you have chosen. Learn >>> more here. >>> >>> Looking to learn more about offering your audiobook through Libro.fm? >>> Read our Author Guide. >>> >>> How is this any different from television and movie streaming >>> platforms that produce originals? >>> >>> Most original series and movies are still available to loan from your >>> public library, and you can purchase DVDs online. The level of >>> accessibility to all is much higher. Audible Exclusive audiobooks are >>> only available through Amazon’s platform and not available through >>> libraries or bookstores. >>> >>> How can we work together to make change? >>> >>> 1. Make the #AudiobookSwitch. >>> >>> When you choose Libro.fm over Audible, you support our 1,300+ >>> bookstore partners, invest in your local community, and get audiobook >>> recommendations from real booksellers—not an algorithm. >>> >>> By spending money with intention, we can collectively work to not let >>> audiobooks become another form of privatized entertainment controlled >>> by a single entity. >>> >>> Make the switch from Audible to Libro.fm. The more people we move away >>> from their platform, the more power we take away from a singular >>> provider in the industry. With Libro.fm, you get to choose a local >>> bookstore to support, so you’re putting money back into your community. >>> >>> switch to libro.fm >>> >>> 2. Reach out to authors and publishers. >>> >>> Authors can change the story by ditching Audible, so reach out or tag >>> authors on social media who have chosen the Exclusive path and share >>> your feelings. Sharing this post with them might be a good place to >>> start, perhaps with the statement “Choosing Audible Exclusive for your >>> audiobook restricts audience access and hurts bookstores and libraries.” >>> >>> We recommend Author’s Republic as the ACX alternative. Their >>> audiobooks will be available on Libro.fm, libraries, and wherever >>> audiobooks are sold or distributed. Publishers can also produce their >>> own audiobooks and distribute to Libro.fm via Ingram Plus, Findaway, and >>> Zebralution. >>> >>> 3. Spread the word. >>> >>> Share this blog post to help educate others on this issue. You can >>> even reshare our Instagram post to your Story or retweet our tweet. >>> >>> If you’re a member, tell your friends, family, colleagues, and >>> everyone you know about Libro.fm—when you refer someone, you get free >>> audiobooks. We also offer bulk audiobook purchases for organizations. >>> >>> Refer a friend >>> >>> BULK AUDIOBOOK PURCHASES >>> >>> Even if you don’t make an account with Libro.fm, it’s important that >>> people are informed and aware of the harmful tactics that Amazon’s >>> Audible uses to control the audiobook market. 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