So your address is? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of James English Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:13 am To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I know of a website offering inaudible easily, and I ran a virus scanner over it. If you're interested, write me off list because I doubt the list admins want those sorts of links on their mailing list. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote: > I do this for kindle books, but only for my own use; legal or not, if > I buy the book, and do not give it to someone else, I figure no one is > going to knock on my door and arrest me for making things more > accessible for myself. > But, Audible audio books are not so easy. The app mentioned, > "Inaudible" is very hard to find, and often loaded with Trojan viruses > from all the reviews I've read. > Plus, if the book in particular my friend wanss was available through > another soursce like Libro.fm, I could get it far cheaper than having > her buy the Audible copy as a nonmember and try to convert it with > suspect or purchased software, which I'm not going to do. > Thanks, > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > > On May 25, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip > off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s > not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of > service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. > Or if you can, I have never heard of it. > > > > Richard > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, > but what they become by it." > - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 > > Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575604658421681%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=UTcAMmAN2Vlp%2F8OBjt4hSPv1nKU%2BoexCp7k > 2FcU6L00%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book > from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to > mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then > a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if > I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from > bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you > don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the > book. > > On 5/25/21, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote: > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is > offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, > however it raises huge concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to > spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend > who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available > through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology > book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or > especially Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download > an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with > Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not > holding my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn > powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu > CkK1%2BQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are > written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such > the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to > offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many > people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would > make many of them feel insantly defensive. > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, > that is your right. > The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. > I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this > country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to > books, period. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu > CkK1%2BQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". > It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" > or "the government is evil". > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole > heartedly with the sentiment. > > The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on > July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks > > We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you > to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are > fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent > independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain > audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. > > One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why > certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime > by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. > > Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a > story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July > 15, 2020 > > While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than > 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable > due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors > to Amazon’s Audible. > > What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? > > we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes > an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? > did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa > (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 > > For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only > from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but > for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. > > It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through > Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or > distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. > > Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive > audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. > > How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? > > This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins > with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by > Audible in > 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and > rights-holders to create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook > Exclusive is made by authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who > is granted the audio rights to a book. > > Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties > to creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for > Exclusive distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their > audiobook to other audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn > 15% to 20% less of retail sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards > exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why authors and publishers spring for > this opportunity. > > Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of > Audible. They pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), > Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color > Purple) giant sums to keep their audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and > prevent bookstores and libraries from selling and distributing them. > > What does this mean for audiobook distribution? > > Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" > exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through > the library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and > "Handmaid's Tale."— Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019 > > Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with > Amazon cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This > means Libro.fm can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means > our 1,200 bookstore partners can’t sell them, either. > > Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries > are pissssssed by that move. > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co% > 2FhKuU3JSCFq%25E2%2580%2594&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d > 08d91f9d57a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901 > 799642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJ > BTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HRBCvIl6g2eoUFNu%2BL%2FOe > rZYDUYQyOWHDq09R7BT2Zo%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protec > tion.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fna01.safelinks.protec%2F&data= > 04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575604658421681%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj > oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&am > p;sdata=r2PwhmfTvOBI%2FLjoe9R5%2FoBWjEOUNIbk7O9LRPnX9zM%3D&reserve > d=0 > tion.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhKuU3JSCFq%25E2%2580%2594&a > mp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640 > afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3 > d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7 > C1000&sdata=HRBCvIl6g2eoUFNu%2BL%2FOerZYDUYQyOWHDq09R7BT2Zo%3D& > ;reserved=0> > ☘🌈💰Jen is Irish everyday💰🌈☘ (@JentoInfinity) February 7, 2019 > > Audible Exclusives also work in direct opposition to the basic > principles of libraries—free access to books, both digital and print. > By limiting distribution, Amazon aids in making books, perspectives, > and information inaccessible to certain communities and users. > > To reiterate: There are audiobooks being published that bookstores > cannot sell, and libraries cannot lend. > > This hurts bookstores because they are consistently missing out on > sales for big releases. When they aren’t able to sell audiobooks that > are in high demand, potential customers will opt for Audible over > their local bookstores. This, of course, only continues to increase > Audible’s (and ultimately Amazon’s) power and influence within the > publishing industry, resulting in more Exclusive deals and > increasingly restricted access to audiobooks for the rest of the market. > > Because audiobooks are a digital product, they’re inherently easier > for Amazon to monopolize. For example, the superstar-stacked audiobook > for The Sandman by Neil Gaiman and DC Comics is only available on Audible: > > Full-cast audiobook Sandman adaptation is a FANTASTIC idea – that I > can't even get excited about properly because it's a freaking Audible > exclusive. > Which means libraries are excluded. Which means our patrons are > excluded. So that's fun. #libcomix— Matthew Noe 😔💜 (@NoetheMatt) May > 13, 2020 > > Audiobooks are also a vital means of access for some readers with > disabilities: > > due to disabilities, some people need audiobooks to read. people with > disabilities are more likely to be underemployed/unemployed, thus they > rely on the library for access to audiobooks.amazon putting a pay wall > between someone’s disabled audience and their book is hot garbage.— > whitney 🧸 > (@ginkgo_ghost) November 14, 2019 > > How else does Audible bar audiobook access? > > Audible pays some publishers to embargo new audiobook releases for 90 > days—meaning that for the first three months of sales, the audiobook > can only be found on Audible. > > Audible also doesn’t allow Libro.fm and bookstore customers to make > certain audiobooks redeemable with membership credits—books like The > Neapolitan Novels by Elena Ferrante and Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. > Saad. > > By rewarding Exclusive distribution, striking Exclusive deals with > influential authors, and paying publishers to delay the distribution > of new releases, Audible’s creeping monopoly pushes independent > bookstores and libraries out of the audiobook industry. > > I’m an author. How do I prevent Amazon’s Audible from shutting out > independent bookstores and libraries? > > First, understand the contract with your publisher. Are they producing > the audiobook, or licensing it to another publisher? Either way, add > language into your agreement that requires your audiobook to be sold > through independent bookstores and made available through libraries. > > Second, if your publisher is planning to contract or license the > audiobook version, ensure that your publisher puts language in their > licensing agreement that prevents the audiobook publisher from selling > your title exclusively to Amazon’s Audible. If your audiobook is > currently Exclusive, you might be able to change the distribution > rights after a year depending on the payment option you have chosen. > Learn more here. > > Looking to learn more about offering your audiobook through Libro.fm? > Read our Author Guide. > > How is this any different from television and movie streaming > platforms that produce originals? > > Most original series and movies are still available to loan from your > public library, and you can purchase DVDs online. The level of > accessibility to all is much higher. Audible Exclusive audiobooks are > only available through Amazon’s platform and not available through > libraries or bookstores. > > How can we work together to make change? > > 1. Make the #AudiobookSwitch. > > When you choose Libro.fm over Audible, you support our 1,300+ > bookstore partners, invest in your local community, and get audiobook > recommendations from real booksellers—not an algorithm. > > By spending money with intention, we can collectively work to not let > audiobooks become another form of privatized entertainment controlled > by a single entity. > > Make the switch from Audible to Libro.fm. The more people we move away > from their platform, the more power we take away from a singular > provider in the industry. With Libro.fm, you get to choose a local > bookstore to support, so you’re putting money back into your community. > > switch to libro.fm > > 2. Reach out to authors and publishers. > > Authors can change the story by ditching Audible, so reach out or tag > authors on social media who have chosen the Exclusive path and share > your feelings. Sharing this post with them might be a good place to > start, perhaps with the statement “Choosing Audible Exclusive for your > audiobook restricts audience access and hurts bookstores and libraries.” > > We recommend Author’s Republic as the ACX alternative. Their > audiobooks will be available on Libro.fm, libraries, and wherever > audiobooks are sold or distributed. Publishers can also produce their > own audiobooks and distribute to Libro.fm via Ingram Plus, Findaway, > and Zebralution. > > 3. Spread the word. > > Share this blog post to help educate others on this issue. You can > even reshare our Instagram post to your Story or retweet our tweet. > > If you’re a member, tell your friends, family, colleagues, and > everyone you know about Libro.fm—when you refer someone, you get free > audiobooks. We also offer bulk audiobook purchases for organizations. > > Refer a friend > > BULK AUDIOBOOK PURCHASES > > Even if you don’t make an account with Libro.fm, it’s important that > people are informed and aware of the harmful tactics that Amazon’s > Audible uses to control the audiobook market. 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