Hi Richard,

Sorry. I thought you said you switched to All Punctuation. If you have it set 
to Some, I don't think you'll hear the commas.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Ann,
> Do you understand there are no commas and I never screwed around with the 
> punctuation settings?
> As default behavior; this sucks!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> website:  www.turner42.com
> 
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what 
>> is being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a 
>> couple of years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one 
>> of the existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can 
>> also change how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it 
>> pronounce braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly 
>> bracket" and "Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause 
>> for commas, you could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation.
>>> Something called Punctuation groups.  I was looking to see if they had 
>>> added a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new 
>>> setting.
>>> I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all.
>>> But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple.
>>> While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" 
>>> or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written.  Very 
>>> annoying.  Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas?  I have no use for 
>>> hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to 
>>> feel; but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful.
>>> 
>>> Contacting Apple would be my next step.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." - Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> My Web site: 
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>>> Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
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>>> How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or 
>>> question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set 
>>> verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set 
>>> verbosity to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when 
>>> navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, 
>>> VoiceOver says  "unread comma Apple TV comma"
>>> Harry
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