A well-trained human would not, or at least should not, write descriptions this way.
Kathy Blackburn kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 21, 2023 8:15 PM, realman02 via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > The problem is that a non-human thing, Open AI, is making subjective > judgments about people and objects in pictures and there's no way to query > the AI why it came up with that judgement. Plus I want to make my won > judgements and don't want to be influenced by a machine. All I'm saying is > that we need to think carefully whether we really want Be My Eyes to be > giving us these judgments or having them reserved for human interactions. > I realize this is veering off topic so won't be replying anymore. > Happy listing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of lenron > brown > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:04 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service > > I don't see the problem. > > On 9/21/23, realman02 via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI? > > > > Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value judgments > > and subjective judgments to its descriptions. > > > > > > > > John > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > > Kellie > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service > > > > > > > > I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I > > have the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I > > can make up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am > > very happy with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it > > makes me feel like I can see again. But I understand that everybody > > approaches us differently. > > > > Kellie and my lovable Lady J > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone > > <viphone@googlegroups.com > > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something > > is “adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description. > > > > Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want > > my > > AI to handle descriptions of people, animals and things: > > > > > > > > > > > > The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray > > tiles > > and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is > > a > > black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar > > with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black > > coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and > > floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next > > to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a > > cabinet and an oven in the background > > > > Thanks John Riehl > > > > > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroupscom <viphone@googlegroups.com > > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alison May > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Be my eyes new service > > > > > > > > I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed > > the > > directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the > > day. > > My current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details > > really bring the picture alive. > > > > > > > > The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark > > gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the > > left, > > there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and > > is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd > > puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The > > puppy > > has bright, curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with > > a > > tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as > > there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the background > > > > Sent from my iPhone by Alison may > > > > 0777 315 8181 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy <theblindman...@hotmail.com > > <mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com > > <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> > > > > > > > > Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple. > > > > Feliciano > > > > For tech tips and updates: > > > > LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v > > <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v> > > > > Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v > > <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> > > > > Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v <http://www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v> > > > > those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones > > who do. -Steve Jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Paula Pinder <pinder.pa...@gmail.com > > <mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'vbe tried all that. I've written to disabil...@apple.com > > <mailto:disabil...@apple.com> so hopefully they will reply. Thanks for > > your > > suggestions. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Paula > > > > > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > > > _____ > > > > From: Paula Pinder <pinder.pa...@gmail.com <mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > > > > > Thanks all for your messages. > > > > > > > > I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have tried > > everything everyone suggested. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Paula > > > > > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > > > _____ > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of > > Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > > Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > > > > > First this isn’t an android list. Second I would just switch back to > > iOS. > > You wouldn’t have this problem on iOS. You can attempt contacting Google > > accessibility but if you have the experience Jonathan Mosen and others who > > called his show have had good luck. > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > > Paula Pinder > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:06 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It > > plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android > > Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I > > could > > on the Iphone? 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