I am able to query the AI that came up with the judgment. I frequently ask follow-up questions to get better clarification as to the descriptions I am being given. The important take away here is that we are ultimately responsible for making decisions for ourselves, we don't just rely on what the machine says. Case in point, the story in the news recently about the family of a person who is suing Google because their loved one drowned as a result of following bad directions given to them by Google Maps. I don't know about you, but if a GPS tells you that there is a bridge there, and your eyes, which presumably should work well if you are driving in the first place, don't see a bridge, then I think it's safe to say that you disregard the bad instructions the GPS gave you. Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:15 PM, realman02 via VIPhone <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The problem is that a non-human thing, Open AI, is making subjective > judgments about people and objects in pictures and there's no way to query > the AI why it came up with that judgement. Plus I want to make my won > judgements and don't want to be influenced by a machine. All I'm saying is > that we need to think carefully whether we really want Be My Eyes to be > giving us these judgments or having them reserved for human interactions. > I realize this is veering off topic so won't be replying anymore. > Happy listing! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of lenron > brown > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service > > I don't see the problem. > >> On 9/21/23, realman02 via VIPhone <[email protected]> wrote: >> to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI? >> >> Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value judgments >> and subjective judgments to its descriptions. >> >> >> >> John >> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Kellie >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service >> >> >> >> I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I >> have the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I >> can make up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am >> very happy with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it >> makes me feel like I can see again. But I understand that everybody >> approaches us differently. >> >> Kellie and my lovable Lady J >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something >> is “adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description. >> >> Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my >> AI to handle descriptions of people, animals and things: >> >> >> >> >> >> The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles >> and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a >> black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar >> with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black >> coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and >> floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next >> to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a >> cabinet and an oven in the background >> >> Thanks John Riehl >> >> >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroupscom <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Alison May >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Be my eyes new service >> >> >> >> I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the >> directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day. >> My current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details >> really bring the picture alive. >> >> >> >> The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark >> gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, >> there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and >> is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd >> puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy >> has bright, curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a >> tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as >> there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the background >> >> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may >> >> 0777 315 8181 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> The email is actually [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple. >> >> Feliciano >> >> For tech tips and updates: >> >> LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v >> <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v> >> >> Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v >> <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> >> >> Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v <http://www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v> >> >> those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones >> who do. -Steve Jobs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Paula Pinder <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I'vbe tried all that. I've written to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> so hopefully they will reply. Thanks for your >> suggestions. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Paula >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 >> Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> _____ >> >> From: Paula Pinder <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE >> >> >> >> Thanks all for your messages. >> >> >> >> I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have tried >> everything everyone suggested. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Paula >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 >> Sent from Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> _____ >> >> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of >> Dennis Long <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE >> >> >> >> First this isn’t an android list. Second I would just switch back to iOS. >> You wouldn’t have this problem on iOS. You can attempt contacting Google >> accessibility but if you have the experience Jonathan Mosen and others who >> called his show have had good luck. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of >> Paula Pinder >> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:06 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE >> >> >> >> Hi All >> >> >> >> I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It >> plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android >> Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could >> on the Iphone? 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