I use NVDA most of the time, and not having these so called jaws issues. I recommend a mac for certain things mainly music production. Everyday stuff that I need not so much. It's a good tool in the tool box but as a voice over user I don't want to make it my only computer.
On 10/17/23, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > It’s nice, but if you’re using Google Docs, or Salesforce at work, you may > want to go to an Apple Store and check it out for yourself. > Devin Prater > [email protected] > > Https://devinprater.micro.blog > >> On Oct 16, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Dennis Long <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have given some thought to getting a mac when I can afford it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Kliph >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a >> Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users. >> >> I second that, I have to use windows for work, and you wouldn’t believe >> how many trouble tickets I have to submit a week for jaws issues. >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:39 PM, Ed Worrell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This article is very, very, very late to the game. I have not had this >>> issue with Safari freezing on my Mac computers in a very long time. >>> Probably in over 3 years. I really don’t understand the hatred from the >>> post on AppleVis. The AppleVis site has become very negative in the last >>> few years. I’m not saying Apple is perfect by any means, but this goes a >>> bit far. I have had more issues with my Windows 11 machine with JAWS >>> installed, over the last year. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chrome and Firefox both work really well. >>>> >>>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Ron Canazzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Group, >>>>> >>>>> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there >>>>> are other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has >>>>> anyone tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on >>>>>> a MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a >>>>>> day-to-day bases. >>>>>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 >>>>>> and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what >>>>>> such a bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a >>>>>> web-based point of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use >>>>>> Chrome (or sometimes Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all >>>>>> day long. >>>>>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a >>>>>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while >>>>>> now Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, >>>>>> Chrome or Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail >>>>>> and I often go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. >>>>>> On Saturday evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off >>>>>> since we are closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday >>>>>> morning they stay on until Saturday evening. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >>>>>> janet gross >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a >>>>>> Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like >>>>>> to read. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users >>>>>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to >>>>>> Fellow Blind Computer Users >>>>>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a >>>>>> longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently >>>>>> become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message >>>>>> “Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may >>>>>> become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can >>>>>> be resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting >>>>>> VoiceOver can resolve the issue. However, far too often, the user is >>>>>> unable to switch away from Safari or turn VoiceOver off, instead >>>>>> having to simply wait for their Mac to become responsive again. >>>>>> This “Safari not responding” behaviour when using VoiceOver >>>>>> dramatically impacts productivity and overall usability of Macs for >>>>>> blind and low vision users. Furthermore, it appears that the issue >>>>>> extends beyond just Safari - many other common applications that >>>>>> utilise Apple's WebKit browser engine can also be affected by the “not >>>>>> responding” problem. >>>>>> It is also important to point out this issue occurs regardless of the >>>>>> specification level of the Mac - it has been widely experienced on the >>>>>> latest Apple silicon-equipped Macs with 16GB or more of RAM, so even >>>>>> owners of top-tier new Mac hardware still face this crippling >>>>>> VoiceOver bug. >>>>>> This critical problem has persisted for years across multiple MacOS >>>>>> versions without a permanent fix from Apple. Given the longevity and >>>>>> level of disruption caused by this bug across Safari and other >>>>>> applications, I can unfortunately no longer in good faith recommend >>>>>> Macs to anyone who relies on using VoiceOver. The impact of this bug >>>>>> when performing routine, and often critical, tasks in Safari and other >>>>>> applications simply makes macOS an unreliable and frustrating >>>>>> platform. >>>>>> Macs have traditionally been popular within the blind community, and >>>>>> they offer some great accessibility features. However, frankly, Apple >>>>>> should be utterly ashamed that they have let this issue persist for so >>>>>> long without a permanent fix. It's a failing that raises serious >>>>>> questions about the company's frequently stated commitment to >>>>>> accessibility. There can be no doubt that if sighted users were to >>>>>> experience something similar, that it would receive significant media >>>>>> coverage and that Apple's response would be fast. >>>>>> I believe we need to escalate out urging of Apple to prioritise and >>>>>> permanently solve the “Safari not responding” bug that has plagued >>>>>> VoiceOver users for far too long. To this end, I encourage those of >>>>>> you who use VoiceOver on Mac to directly contact Apple's accessibility >>>>>> team at [email protected] to share your own personal experiences >>>>>> with and frustrations about the “Safari not responding” issue. It is >>>>>> important we continue putting direct, polite pressure on Apple to >>>>>> prioritise resolving this problem. Please be constructive in >>>>>> expressing your concerns. Consider also copying Apple CEO Tim Cook on >>>>>> your email by using his publicly shared email address [email protected] >>>>>> to ensure he sees the direct impact this ongoing bug is having on >>>>>> Apple's blind and low vision customers. >>>>>> I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from >>>>>> the only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on >>>>>> problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous >>>>>> other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting users. However, it >>>>>> has become a yardstick by which Apple's overall performance on and >>>>>> commitment to accessibility is being judged. It is a yardstick against >>>>>> which Apple has failed for some considerable time. >>>>>> I know many of you share my frustration. I welcome your perspectives >>>>>> and discussion in the comments. Collectively, we need to apply >>>>>> consumer pressure by being vocal about this issue and not purchasing >>>>>> new Macs until the “Safari not responding” issue is fixed once and for >>>>>> all. 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