I got mine to work consistently as well.  They really need to make it easier to 
understand first time out.  Thanks to all of your persistence in getting it 
explained better. 


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jccacc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I finally got taptic time to work for me on my SE watch.
> I had to turn off raise to speak time in the VoiceOver settings, which didn’t 
> seem to do anything.
> Thanks for all the notes, otherwise I would have just thought it was an 
> unreliable service when VoiceOver is running. I was only able to get taptic 
> time to work when I didn’t want it, like when removing the watch from my 
> wrist.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I received another message from Apple Accessibility yesterday where 
>> this was also explained. I assume this was sent on to a higher level because 
>> the first response I received simply stated what the support article said 
>> which is a 1-finger double tap for hours and minutes and a 1-finger triple 
>> tap for just minutes. In fact, they even pointed out " If the watch is 
>> awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on 
>> Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the 
>> one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed 
>> to get the same results".
>> Below is the entire conversation I had regarding this starting with my 
>> initial message, their reply, my response and then the second message where 
>> they state an additional tap is required if any type of focus is active:
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:39 AM
>> To:  siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
>> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
>> for just the minutes.
>> This is with the screen locked.
>> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to 
>> sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and 
>> then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus 
>> enabled and managed to get the same results.
>> 
>> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
>> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
>> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
>> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
>> appropriate teams for further investigation.
>> 
>> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
>> article:
>> https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> I will contact somebody because as I said, I consistently get the behaviour 
>> I described, i.e. if sleep focus is enabled a 1-finger double tap does 
>> nothing and I am sure my watch/screen is asleep.
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:43 PM
>> To: siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> We wanted to quickly follow up and clarify that in order to use Taptic Time 
>> in any of the Focus modes that turn of the display, like the  Sleep Focus 
>> does, you will need to tap the screen once to wake it before performing the 
>> double-tap for Taptic Time. The gesture should be performed as “one, 
>> one-two” in a relatively quick manner.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> On Jan 02, 2024, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, that is my experience, it would be a good idea if your support 
>> article about haptic time would be updated to reflect this.
>> I don’t use Zoom of any sort, but I believe some gestures are also different 
>> when Zoom is enabled so if that is the case with haptic time this should 
>> also be mentioned.
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:19 AM
>> To: siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> We’d be more than happy to request an update to our support article that 
>> will reflect this information and will ensure this request reaches the 
>> appropriate teams.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 2:13 AM
>> To: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Apple watch and sleep focus
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I got a reply from Apple accessibility and actually, three taps is correct 
>> as you have to tap it once to wake it up. Hope that clarifies it; it’s not a 
>> bug.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
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