Hi Richard, I just tried the new Sonos app with screen recognition and for me I found it doesn't read half of the stuff that I get when I turn it off. For example, when I touch near the bottom where it showed me the currently playing room and what is/was playing there, without screen recognition I get from top to bottom (swiping right as I go):
Playing on Bedroom (that was the last place/speaker I played last night) An Spailpin Fanach, Connie Dover Output selector button Play track position at 68% button Mute bedroom off button Bedroom volume 30%, adjustable If I turn screen recognition on, I get this: Bedroom, An Spailpin Fanach, Button Play button Next swipe I just hear a Voiceover click, but nothing is spoken Adjustable 30 That's it, no output selector unless that unamed button is it, no indication of track position and the mute button is not even mentioned, as well as the "Bedroom volume, 30%, adjustable" slider which actually was just fixed in yesterday's update, is broken up in that "adjustable 30" Sonos has certainly made a big mess of this update which is supposed to be so much better and which according to a Sonos group I joined on Facebook is hated universally by just about everybody, but they have certainly been fixing a lot of things, many features which were initially missing have been added back and Voiceover accessibility is greatly improved although I still think it's not as good as it was and the simple fact is that the app itself in my opinion really is a step back. Of course many people complained about the old app as well so in some ways these companies sometimes thik they should do something and in the end it's the wrong thing. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out and where this app is a year from now, but that is a different topic. Best regards, Sieghard From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Screen recognition How did screen recognition work with your pool control app? If not at all, then the app is completely inaccessible. The Sonos app, if you have any sonos speakers, works better with screen recognition. I have not found a lot of other apps where it helped. My Arboleaf app for my scale reads better with it on, but that is about it. Someone said the weather channel worked better with it. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:21 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Hi , yes , I understood that. I was just surprised that with screen recognition on in that app, it just looked normal to me, which was not what someone else was reporting. Does anyone know under what circumstances screen recognition works well? In the pool controller app we are trying to assess, without screen recognition, the app pretty much says nothing with voiceover. It doesn’t announce the word “button” or anything. Thanks, Pam From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 6:38 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: Screen recognition I suggested you turn screen recognition on for the BARD Mobile App just to see what it looks like. It is nonsense to actually use if with the BARD Mobile App though. I thought it would just give you some ideas on how it works and what it might look like with an inaccessible app. I’d just forget I ever brought that up if I were you! 😉 -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 5:27 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: Screen recognition I am still trying to understand how this works. It was mentioned in another thread that someone turned screen recognition on for the Bard app, specifically, just to see how it acted. Someone else said they did this and got nonsense from the app. I turned it on for Bard, and when I entered Bard it said screen recognition on, but acted normally. I understand that this should not be turned on for apps that work with voiceover, but am just trying to understand what is going on. I was trying to experiment with it to see if it might work with the Omnilogic app for controlling our pool, which isn’t at all accessible once you have logged in. Unfortunately, we are just at the stage where we are trying to determine if there is any way to make this app accessible, so the only way we can really try it is to have our pool service rep connect to someone else’s pool that uses this controller. Pam From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 4:33 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Screen recognition OK, sounds great. That is really what I thought it might be about, but glad you confirmed it. Take care. Kay Malmquist [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Screen recognition The Apply to Apps is so you can select some apps to automatically load screen recognition. It is useful once you determine an app works best with Screen Recognition on. For me, I set Sonos to load screen recognition automatically. Also now, my Arboleaf app for my scale. I’d leave it alone until you determine an app needs Screen Recognition. Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:11 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Screen recognition No, but I just did. There is also a button that says, apply to apps. Do I tap on that one as well or leave it alone? Kay Malmquist [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> “Abundance flows into your life when gratitude flows out of your heart.” – Jon Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Turner<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Screen recognition Did you try going into VoiceOver Settings, VoiceOver Recognition and turning Screen Recognition on there. Make sure it is saying selected in the rotor items section on Screen Recognition. Then, going into an app and check the rotor? Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Penny Reeder Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 8:53 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Screen recognition The same thing happened to me. Penny On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:46 AM Kay Malmquist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, As long as we are on the subject, I put screen recognition on the rotor, or at least I thought I had. I went in to rotor and selected it but it does not appear in the rotor. No matter where I am in the phone. I can be on a web site and it is still not in the rotor. Any ideas why? Thanks much. 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