Hi there the only thing I find I am accidentally keep doing since I got this phone is getting away from the touch typing mode when I want to leave it there but I can't seem to figure out how to keep that setting luck there so I don't accidentally move away from it because when I'm trying to type a message and I keep having to double tap the letter it takes a long time to write the message that way and
Sent from my iPhone On 2013-04-12, at 5:57 PM, "Kellie and my lab pack" <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been debating whether I want to jump in this topic. Personally, I feel > that this is off topic but since the mods have Ok’d it I guess I can give an > opinion. > > Having taught technology to people who are blind or visually impaired in the > past, I know that you cannot assume that everyone has the same capabilities > and skills as you. I have taught things to individuals, have them come in the > next day and we were right back where we started. It is at that point that > you have to step back and think outside the box and change the approach. Does > it mean that the individual I was working with was lazy? I don't think so. > They were trying their hardest to understand. > > I think it is presumptuous to deem a person lazy because they ask a question > that you feel is stupid or can be obtained on their own. Who determines what > information can be researched on their own verses what should be asked on a > list. On a technicality, probably every single question that is asked here > can be found on a web site somewhere and if that’s the case why does this > list exist at all? > > I have done my share of research, and yet I still will ask questions on a > list. For instance, I am in the market for a new laptop and considering a > Mac. I have read articles, looked on both applevis and maccessibility and yet > I still joined the list to ask questions. Because sometimes it is nice to > have an actual human respond. > > Another thing to consider is that you don't know the person or where they are > coming from. We all have areas where we excel and areas where we are weak. > Additionally, you have no idea if there are any cognitive challenges that an > individual has which makes processing certain tasks very difficult. > > I have a friend who uses the computer and has even taken classes; however, he > is really incapable doing much beyond email. The internet is beyond him. It > isn't for lack of trying though. He just doesn't get it. The fact that he can > email was an accomplishment. He is not a stupid man either. It is just that > technology is not his strength. > > My father used a computer but really didn't know what he was doing. He was > forever calling me for help. I would explain how he could do it but the next > time it happened I would get a call again. He just couldn't retain the > information. > > I am not saying that you can't assist and offer guidance as well as explain > how a person can do things for themselves or research. Helping a person be > self sufficient is great. However, I believe that this can be and should be > done respectfully without being condescending and without sarcasm. > > I have written an iPhone basics tutorial that I have shared with friends to > help them when they first get an iPhone. I have been told that it has been > very beneficial and allowing them to be successful at using their iPhones and > cut down on frustration. I am glad that I could assist them in that way. > > There are many things discussed on list which I find very easy to do but that > doesn't mean because I find it simple that everyone else should as well. If I > don't like a message I delete it and the thread and move on. > > As for those questions generating needless traffic on list. I must say that > this thread has garnered its share. It is the reason why I hesitated to post > on this at all. > > In short treat others how you would like to be treated if you asked a > question. Everyone should feel that this is a comfortable place that they can > come to when they are having a problem. They should not worry that they are > going to get told that their question is stupid and that they shouldn't ask > it. > > I hope that I did not offend anyone in my post. If I did that was not my > intent. > > Respectfully, > Kellie, Loki and retired July > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Ron Pelletier > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: What do they do??? > > Hi Ricardo, > > You fail to realize that not everyone is able to function at your level. If > someone has recently been equipped with a device and wants to know the price > of another device that could be better for them or to figure if they can > afford both and don't know yet how to get that information, that's a > legitimate question. If someone is not comfortable activating a button > without knowing what will happen, that's a legitimate question also. If > someone even needs someone else to install apps for them to use because they > can't do it themselves and they want to know how much it costs, that's > legitimate also > > So, you see, every question is a legitimate question if you don't know the > answer or can't find the answer on your own. I never saw this list as a > place where we only should work with people who have a certain level of > abilities. I am just having a lot of trouble getting some people to > understand that there is no such thing as a common denominator in people's > ability to function. > > I am not ignoring the validity of the original post, I am just saying as > part of my opinion that the original post had no validity to it at all. > > Respectfully > > Ron & Danvers > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What do they do??? > > Hello, > > I agree with everything you said but, I think you are ignoring the validity > of the original posters statement. For example. I've seen people ask the > "how much is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, etc, dozens of times on this list > in the last 3 years. Now, to me, I think this is a silly question to ask on > a list as big as this. By the time you get a reply, and find the reply to > that question, the person could have gone to the Apple site and just looked > for themselves. Or, when a person talks about a new app they have come > across, and people ask, "how much is it? I'm like, well, why not check for > your self? I mean, if your going to buy it, you would actually need to > click on the button that displays the price, no? I've even seen people post > something like, "Hi list, I've downloaded this app, and there are 2 > unlabeled buttons. What do they do? Now, I'm far from the most adventuress > person in the world but, wouldn't it be much easier to double tap on the > buttons yourself? Lets think about it. Some people would wait hours, if > not days, for someone to report back on what those 2 buttons do before > venturing to press them. I could totally understand why a person might be > annoyed by such a post. I tend to just delete these myself. I have a > feeling Fred might have been talking about questions more like this than, > questions that deal with the general operation of an IOS device or, the use > of an application. > > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ron Pelletier <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Eddie, >> >> Having taught accessible technology for 21 years to people of all >> degrees of vision and many combinations of disabilities, I totally >> agree with your technique. When a client doesn't understand the first >> or second time, there is no point repeating the same thing over and >> over. Its up to us to change our approach to the problem. It is up >> to us to find a different way of working with each individual person >> and each individual problem. So, thinking in any way that asking >> questions is, laziness or lack of interest is totally wrong. >> >> As for the person who originated this topic claiming that asking >> questions creates too much traffic, well, I wish I had counted how >> much traffic this topic created on the list. >> >> So, let's deal with the questions which are the purpose of this list >> and get on with it. >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Eddie Salcido >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> Hi Carrie and list. >> My girlfriend is someone who definitely doesn't feel confident with I >> things and would be asking what to do on a consistent basis, so here's my > thought. >> In a real life teaching situation, I would explain a procedure once or >> twice, then if asked a third time, I would make the person critically >> think by asking a question of my own such as, "What do you think the >> next step might be?" I do this type of question teaching regularly >> with blind kids who I teach music to. >> Eddie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Carrie Snodgrass >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:53 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> Patti, you're a kind soul. I feel like I have some of that patience >> with others, but not to the extent that you do. I'm all for helping >> others, as long as they try to learn as we go. However, there is a >> point when one has to do for themselves. I live a very full life, >> surrounded by sighted people, and there's been more than one occasion >> in which I'm complaining about all the "blind bums," and my friends >> and family have had to gently explained to me that just because I have >> a lot of self-confidence doesn't mean that everyone else does and just >> because blind people don't/can't always learn/do for themselves >> doesn't make them lazy. So, long story short, I respect Patti's view, but > probably feel more as Fred does. >> Having said that though, there will be A LOT less traffic and >> confusion if everyone would just get along. Everyone's free to ask >> questions, just as everyone is free to answer them or not. We're all >> on this list to gain support and knowledge from other IOS users. If a >> particular topic doesn't interest you, DELETE is the "key." It takes >> way less time to hit Delete a few times than to draft a complaint >> about a topic for which you have no concern in the first place. >> Carrie >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Patti Johnson >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:05 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on >> their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they >> are afraid of doing something wrong. >> I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just think >> those that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves >> wish they would do their own work. >> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be able >> to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need help they >> come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to learn this on >> their own but if they won't because they are fearful of making a >> mistake, then I have to help them. >> Patti >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Fred Olver >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >> >> Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list? >> Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have we >> all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we must >> bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out for > ourselves? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patti Johnson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> >>> I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to >>> this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all the >>> time then what's the point of the list? >>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many times >>> the question is asked. >>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't. >>> Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any >>> email list, because we don't know where the person writing in is >>> coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't want >>> to answer that person on list write to them privately, which would >>> take away from the high traffic. >>> Patti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating >>> that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the >>> information at their fingertips to find the information themselves >>> rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of >>> two messages in a row which asked the question of two different >>> app's, what does it do. >>> >>> Fred >>> ----- Original Message. In this case, there were two messages in a >>> row that asked the same question, "What does it do ----- >>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> >>>> Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and >>>> condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I >>>> doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience to >>>> read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I also >>>> wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a message as >>>> opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone asks a question >>>> you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one liners like "What >>>> does >>> this app do?" or "How much does it cost?" >>>> to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as the >>>> moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such behavior, >>>> I don't think it's going to change human behavior much, and I think >>>> it's best left to Raul and the moderators. >>>> >>>> On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote: >>>>> Thanks, Will for bringing me a chuckle this morning. I get so tired >>>>> of folks asking what does it do when they could so easily find out >>>>> the information for themselves. >>>>> Maybe my little piece will cause them to think before posting to >>>>> the list. >>>>> Fred >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Wil James <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:07 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: What do they do??? >>>>> >>>>> You forgot the other burning question. How much does it cost? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S >>>>> ---------- >>>>> E-mail or iMessage: [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Twitter: wiljames >>>>> zellow: wilcjames >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Fred Olver" <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Inquiring minds want to know, what does it do? What does it do???? >>>>>> What does it do??? The answer is simple, in fact it is so simple >>>>>> it's a wonder you didn't think of it yourself??? Unlike the >>>>>> I-devices, there is a simple yet often-overlooked task which will >>>>>> easily bring you the information you crave. >>>>>> What is it you say, I can't wait, please, please, tell me. >>>>>> Why it's as simple as typing the name of the app in to the space >>>>>> marked, very clearly "SEARCH" I repeat "SEARCH", easily found >>>>>> Where??? Ah, yet another question and yet one which answer is not >>>>>> the commonly used phrase, "Over there", why it is, are you ready >>>>>> for this, are you sure you are ready? It is after all your waiting >>>>>> to find an answer which has iluded mankind for hmmm maybe 20 >>>>>> seconds or so, of course, in the app store. See that wasn't so >>>>>> difficult, now, here are the directions. Merely double-tap on the >>>>>> "app store" Icon on your i-Device, wait for it to open and then, >>>>>> then, look down at the bottom of the page which you will come to. >>>>>> There are five buttons labeled from left to right: "Featured", >>>>>> "top Charts" "genius" "search" and last but not least "updates". >>>>>> Now, all you have to do after tapping the "search" item, a new >>>>>> screen will appear in which you will be presented with an >>>>>> on-screen keyboard, or, you can use an external keyboard, either >>>>>> Braille or standard to gain the information you so badly crave. >>>>>> Then all you need do is enter the necessary information field >>>>>> using voice, keyboard bluetooth or keyboard on the phone and tap >>>>>> "search" and voila, the information appears. This feature can be >>>>>> used to find hidden apps like tap tap see, four square, or >>>>>> perhapse you want to look up 4square. Words like radio or music >>>>>> can present you with literally hundreds of functional >>>>>> applications. Perhapse you long for apps which might be of use to >>>>>> you tomorrow, Saturday, or maybe even next week. >>>>>> Be sure to keep this document in case you forget what to do, lets >>>>>> again, refresh, >>>>>> 1. Find app store on your i-device >>>>>> 2. Double tap to open this item. >>>>>> 3. find the WORD "SEARCH" near the bottom of the screen, >>>>>> double-tap on it at which point you will be presented with an >>>>>> on-screen keyboard or you can use an external one if you wish, >>>>>> 4. Type the name of what you are looking for or something like >>>>>> rpg's or text adventures or cooking or games >>>>>> 5. 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