I, myself, have a question about ITunes, but in no way will I post it to
this list. I will try to take it off list to someone who might be more
sympathetic and understanding. I will, however, keep monitoring the list
in case I get some info that might be useful or difficult to find
elsewhere.
Donna
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Pelletier
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: What do they do???
Hi Ricardo,
You fail to realize that not everyone is able to function at your level.
If
someone has recently been equipped with a device and wants to know the
price
of another device that could be better for them or to figure if they can
afford both and don't know yet how to get that information, that's a
legitimate question. If someone is not comfortable activating a button
without knowing what will happen, that's a legitimate question also. If
someone even needs someone else to install apps for them to use because
they
can't do it themselves and they want to know how much it costs, that's
legitimate also
So, you see, every question is a legitimate question if you don't know the
answer or can't find the answer on your own. I never saw this list as a
place where we only should work with people who have a certain level of
abilities. I am just having a lot of trouble getting some people to
understand that there is no such thing as a common denominator in people's
ability to function.
I am not ignoring the validity of the original post, I am just saying as
part of my opinion that the original post had no validity to it at all.
Respectfully
Ron & Danvers
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Hello,
I agree with everything you said but, I think you are ignoring the
validity
of the original posters statement. For example. I've seen people ask the
"how much is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, etc, dozens of times on this
list
in the last 3 years. Now, to me, I think this is a silly question to ask
on
a list as big as this. By the time you get a reply, and find the reply to
that question, the person could have gone to the Apple site and just
looked
for themselves. Or, when a person talks about a new app they have come
across, and people ask, "how much is it? I'm like, well, why not check for
your self? I mean, if your going to buy it, you would actually need to
click on the button that displays the price, no? I've even seen people
post
something like, "Hi list, I've downloaded this app, and there are 2
unlabeled buttons. What do they do? Now, I'm far from the most
adventuress
person in the world but, wouldn't it be much easier to double tap on the
buttons yourself? Lets think about it. Some people would wait hours, if
not days, for someone to report back on what those 2 buttons do before
venturing to press them. I could totally understand why a person might be
annoyed by such a post. I tend to just delete these myself. I have a
feeling Fred might have been talking about questions more like this than,
questions that deal with the general operation of an IOS device or, the
use
of an application.
Ricardo Walker
[email protected]
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Eddie,
Having taught accessible technology for 21 years to people of all
degrees of vision and many combinations of disabilities, I totally
agree with your technique. When a client doesn't understand the first
or second time, there is no point repeating the same thing over and
over. Its up to us to change our approach to the problem. It is up
to us to find a different way of working with each individual person
and each individual problem. So, thinking in any way that asking
questions is, laziness or lack of interest is totally wrong.
As for the person who originated this topic claiming that asking
questions creates too much traffic, well, I wish I had counted how
much traffic this topic created on the list.
So, let's deal with the questions which are the purpose of this list
and get on with it.
Ron & Danvers
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Eddie Salcido
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: What do they do???
Hi Carrie and list.
My girlfriend is someone who definitely doesn't feel confident with I
things and would be asking what to do on a consistent basis, so here's my
thought.
In a real life teaching situation, I would explain a procedure once or
twice, then if asked a third time, I would make the person critically
think by asking a question of my own such as, "What do you think the
next step might be?" I do this type of question teaching regularly
with blind kids who I teach music to.
Eddie
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Carrie Snodgrass
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: What do they do???
Patti, you're a kind soul. I feel like I have some of that patience
with others, but not to the extent that you do. I'm all for helping
others, as long as they try to learn as we go. However, there is a
point when one has to do for themselves. I live a very full life,
surrounded by sighted people, and there's been more than one occasion
in which I'm complaining about all the "blind bums," and my friends
and family have had to gently explained to me that just because I have
a lot of self-confidence doesn't mean that everyone else does and just
because blind people don't/can't always learn/do for themselves
doesn't make them lazy. So, long story short, I respect Patti's view,
but
probably feel more as Fred does.
Having said that though, there will be A LOT less traffic and
confusion if everyone would just get along. Everyone's free to ask
questions, just as everyone is free to answer them or not. We're all
on this list to gain support and knowledge from other IOS users. If a
particular topic doesn't interest you, DELETE is the "key." It takes
way less time to hit Delete a few times than to draft a complaint
about a topic for which you have no concern in the first place.
Carrie
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Patti Johnson
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: What do they do???
I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on
their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they
are afraid of doing something wrong.
I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just think
those that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves
wish they would do their own work.
I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be able
to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need help they
come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to learn this on
their own but if they won't because they are fearful of making a
mistake, then I have to help them.
Patti
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list?
Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have we
all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we must
bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out for
ourselves?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patti Johnson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: What do they do???
I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to
this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all the
time then what's the point of the list?
I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many times
the question is asked.
Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't.
Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any
email list, because we don't know where the person writing in is
coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't want
to answer that person on list write to them privately, which would
take away from the high traffic.
Patti
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating
that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the
information at their fingertips to find the information themselves
rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of
two messages in a row which asked the question of two different
app's, what does it do.
Fred
----- Original Message. In this case, there were two messages in a
row that asked the same question, "What does it do -----
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and
condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I
doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience to
read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I also
wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a message as
opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone asks a question
you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one liners like "What
does
this app do?" or "How much does it cost?"
to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as the
moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such behavior,
I don't think it's going to change human behavior much, and I think
it's best left to Raul and the moderators.
On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote:
Thanks, Will for bringing me a chuckle this morning. I get so tired
of folks asking what does it do when they could so easily find out
the information for themselves.
Maybe my little piece will cause them to think before posting to
the list.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Wil James <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: What do they do???
You forgot the other burning question. How much does it cost?
Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Fred Olver" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know, what does it do? What does it do????
What does it do??? The answer is simple, in fact it is so simple
it's a wonder you didn't think of it yourself??? Unlike the
I-devices, there is a simple yet often-overlooked task which will
easily bring you the information you crave.
What is it you say, I can't wait, please, please, tell me.
Why it's as simple as typing the name of the app in to the space
marked, very clearly "SEARCH" I repeat "SEARCH", easily found
Where??? Ah, yet another question and yet one which answer is not
the commonly used phrase, "Over there", why it is, are you ready
for this, are you sure you are ready? It is after all your waiting
to find an answer which has iluded mankind for hmmm maybe 20
seconds or so, of course, in the app store. See that wasn't so
difficult, now, here are the directions. Merely double-tap on the
"app store" Icon on your i-Device, wait for it to open and then,
then, look down at the bottom of the page which you will come to.
There are five buttons labeled from left to right: "Featured",
"top Charts" "genius" "search" and last but not least "updates".
Now, all you have to do after tapping the "search" item, a new
screen will appear in which you will be presented with an
on-screen keyboard, or, you can use an external keyboard, either
Braille or standard to gain the information you so badly crave.
Then all you need do is enter the necessary information field
using voice, keyboard bluetooth or keyboard on the phone and tap
"search" and voila, the information appears. This feature can be
used to find hidden apps like tap tap see, four square, or
perhapse you want to look up 4square. Words like radio or music
can present you with literally hundreds of functional
applications. Perhapse you long for apps which might be of use to
you tomorrow, Saturday, or maybe even next week.
Be sure to keep this document in case you forget what to do, lets
again, refresh,
1. Find app store on your i-device
2. Double tap to open this item.
3. find the WORD "SEARCH" near the bottom of the screen,
double-tap on it at which point you will be presented with an
on-screen keyboard or you can use an external one if you wish,
4. Type the name of what you are looking for or something like
rpg's or text adventures or cooking or games
5. Again, double-tap the "search" button by using a keyboard to
input your information your choice and off you go.
I hope this has been helpful, compared to making use of some of
the apps available for the iPhone this is truly a very easy task
to accomplish.
If you still do not feel you understand this task, let me know and
I will indeed be glad to put together a podcast and if enough of
you ask me too, I'll see about putting it up on "applevis", what
is that, you ask, well, that's for another night. but that's
another message.
Later folks.
Happy searching.
Fred Olver
Thanks to Ester and Jonathon for all of your previous posts
teaching all of us what we need to know, I only hope I have come
close in presenting the necessary information for those who are
having difficulty accomplishing this task.
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