Hi All, I'd like to ask that we keep our critiques of this app positive so that the developer can benefit from our knowledge and experience here, rather than chastising him for taking the app's interface in a direction that may not be as beneficial for us as we'd like.
there are some great insights we can offer here and this can open up a really good discussion worthy of referencing again and again if we can focus the ideas and needs we have in positive statements that can help Todd refine this app to work more smoothly for us as Voiceover users. I'll start: Todd, as some have said here already, a really good way of delivering data to a VO user is to allow a double tap on the item one desires to obtain more info about. Yes, you've done this to a degree, but you might take this further in that double tapping the restaurant name actually brings up a new view with only that restaurant's data in it. I.E. Perhaps the Map, phone and menu buttons are the only thing now visible in the view. -Or, you might have the map visible (so no need for a map button) and just have the button to call the restaurant and a button to show the menu. Once the user double taps the menu button, a new view will again open, which contains only the menu categories, which the user might finally double tap to access the actual menu items themselves, for that particular category. Does this make sense? This is only one approach but it is very helpful to a VO user to have these data separated out into discreet views whereas now, when a VO user brings up a menu, not only is the menu shown, but also the other restaurants in the list, which makes for a less than optimal user experience for someone using Voiceover. Does this help? Just for a reference, a double-tap with Voiceover running is equivalent to a single tap with VO turned off. If you'd like more advice about how VO works and good accessibility practices for iOS feel free to email me privately as well as check out Apple's Accessibility programming guide and UIAccessibility Protocol Reference on: http://developer.apple.com As I said above, my approach is certainly not the only one and others here have some very good insights to offer. Let's start a good forward-thinking discussion on this! K? Thanks to all of us for this! Smiles, Cara :) On May 28, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Chuck Dean <[email protected]> wrote: For an app that was supposed to be designed for the visually impaired, this app leaves a lot to be desired. First, it is graphic based. There are only four choices on each screen so you'll need to scroll through multiple pages to find information. It would have been better if they had just used lists. Also in my area, the restaurant list I have dry cleaner's, nail salons, carpet cleaners, and frat houses, plus an A&W that has been closed for at least five years. The menus I could bring up seemed to have fewer selections than the actual menus. I do not see myself using this app. It certainly is no where near the app I was hoping for. I removed it from my phone. Chuck (mobile) Please x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. On May 28, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Lelia Struve <[email protected]> wrote: > What I did is I just tapped on search nearby, found the restaurant that I > wanted, and there is a menu button at the very left hand edge or close to it. > Lelia > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 28, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Thom" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Where did you see the menu button? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Lelia Struve >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:48 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Apple just approved All Access: Talking Menus & More >> >> I don't know if this helps, but what I did is I tapped on the restaurant I >> wanted, and then there is a menu button. I hit that and there was the menu >> Lelia >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 28, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Robert Fenton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Todd: >>> >>> I was having a similar problem in Calgary Alberta Canada. I wonder if it is >>> an issue with something we are doing at our end not bringing the menus up. >>> The usual way we would do it would be to double tap on the name of the >>> restaurant and presumably, the menu would appear. >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-05-28, at 8:35 PM, Todd Bernhard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Richard and Fred, >>>> >>>> I just changed my location, virtually, to Portland, Oregon and also >>>> Portland, Maine and found lots of restaurants with menus. >>>> >>>> In fact, almost 100% of the Portland, Oregon restaurants have menus. Here >>>> are more than a dozen that show up on the first screen and they all have >>>> menus. >>>> >>>> Daily Grill, Park Bistro, Starbucks, Eurotrash, Ben & Jerry's, Veggie >>>> Grill, Restaurant Service, Saint Cupcake, McDonalds, The Melting Pot, The >>>> Morning Star Cafe, Little Big Burger, >>>> Blitz Pearl, Seattle's Best Coffee, Higgins Restaurant & Bar, etc. >>>> >>>> For Portland, Maine, it was probably 50% of the restaurants on the initial >>>> screen that have menus. By providing info for all of the restaurants, you >>>> at least get access to their website (which may have a menu), phone, >>>> directions, twitter, etc. But the goal is to get every restaurant's menu >>>> online. >>>> >>>> Can you provide me, by email to [email protected] the names of some >>>> restaurants that don't have menus? Maybe there is a usability change we >>>> need to make, so the menus show up better... because in many cases, they >>>> are there. Over a million of them in fact. And if you find a restaurant >>>> that doesn't have their menu in the app, we would love your help in asking >>>> them to be included. It's free for the restaurants, too, to have their >>>> menu in the database. This is really a community effort with little >>>> downside. Our database provider can even 'scrape' their website to import >>>> the menu! >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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