Hi David. The poor children need to have time to learn all these things. I have not learned printed letters at all, I have not been missing them. Having said that all blind children and adults who cares about braille should learn computer braille or better 8 dots braille, in fact I agree that computer braille or in my opinion 8 dots braille should be the braille system, That would improve our spelling and writing skills.
I also like the automatic translation, in fact it works better for me than the new method. I think apple should imploy some experts in braille. To me one of the biggest problems is that the VoiceOver search function can not be used with braille. If that function could be added it would be much better to navigate. Best regards Annie. Den Sep 20, 2013 kl. 12:38 PM skrev David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>: > I know my thoughts on this topic are in the extreme minority. I grew up > learning braille. Fortunately, my mother also insisted I learn print, and > taught me using plastic letter magnets. > > My first notetaker was a Braille 'n Speak 640. I used it for taking notes in > university training courses. Because I was also a heavy BBSer, I taught > myself computer braille and used that equipment with a dial-up modem. So, I > wrote all my notes in computer braille. > > Since then, I have found Apple's automatic braille translation to be one of > the best I have worked with. It actually permits me to write in my mixture of > grade II UEB and spell out parts of words. Sometimes, I use automatic > translation to shortcut my writing of words since everything is properly > stored in computer text. In fact, I used my iPhone and braille display to > teach myself UEB by writing words in computer braille and then using 1 2 4 5 > chord to display the word in grade II. > > My method of writing in braille permits me the best of both worlds when using > Apple's automatic braille translation. > > Language is always fluid. Fonts change and adjust over time. Words are added > to languages regularly. > > In my opinion, we should be teaching blind children print using tactile > letters, numbers, and punctuation marks. We should also teach them braille, > starting with computer braille, and finally, grade II braille. This would > follow the print training of print followed by shorthand. Not teaching blind > children computer braille is as much a disservice as not teaching them any > braille. Amongst other things, learning computer braille will teach the > concept that uppercase letters and lowercase letters are two completely > different things (a fact that many blind braille readers do not seem to > grasp). > > So, I say, Yes, we must think of the blind children. We must change our > teaching of braille skills so that the children learn, at an early age, how > truly flexible braille actually is. We need to correct the extremely poor > spelling that so many braille learners acquire through working from earliest > days with grade II braille (I count myself in this crowd, by the way, and did > not start improving my spelling until I started working in computer braille). > In other words we must teach our children to be fully proficient in computer > braille and tactile print letters before anything else. And, because the > primary mode is becoming computer / iDevice and braille display, the large > size of braille and spelling out words is no longer an impediment to reading > proper computer braille text. This will help our blind children to better > compete in all aspects of literate life, including work. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 20 Sep 2013, at 20:10, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it >> is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just >> posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought. >> >> People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely >> partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is >> unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, >> simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you >> criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy. >> As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. >> Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be >> in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all >> solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be >> as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can. >> To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the >> game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was >> concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back >> regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. >> With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as >> alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so >> much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and >> it has earned enormous praise and respect. >> Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful >> for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point >> out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations >> risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is >> threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask >> Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue. >> The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly >> concerned about most of these, because I believe the majority of them will >> come out in the wash. iOS 7 was a massive refactoring of the OS. I hope that >> there’ll be fixes released steadily across the coming year. >> However, I am deeply troubled by Apple’s ongoing apparent failure to >> understand what constitutes Braille support of an appropriate quality. We’re >> not talking bugs in this case, we’re talking a fundamental user interface >> failure – a feature not fully fit for purpose. >> Since Braille was introduced in iOS, it has supported contracted Braille in >> English markets. This is a means by which space is saved, and speed >> increased, by using a series of symbols and abbreviations. When one reads >> contracted Braille in iOS, it works quite well. When one rights it, it is >> the worst implementation of contracted input I’ve ever used on any device. >> Since its inception, if you input a letter in contracted Braille which would >> be the abbreviation for a word if surrounded by spaces, iOS expands the word >> it represents if you pause for a short time before inputting the next >> character. For example, write “p” and it will quickly be expanded to the >> word “people”. If you are proofing a document you’ve brailled and wish to >> insert a letter in the middle of a word, you must preface the letter with a >> letter sign, dots 5-6, to prevent it from being expanded. This is not in >> accordance with the Braille code and is simply wrong. >> Apple must surely know about this poor implementation. It’s been talked >> about in many forums, including an excellent presentation by Judy Dixon at >> the CSUN Technology Conference on Persons with Disabilities. I, and I’m sure >> others, have also raised it. >> It’s also evident that Apple knows about the issues, because to its credit, >> it appears to at least have made an effort to try and fix the problem in iOS >> 7. It now offers an “Automatic Braille Translation” toggle. This feature is >> so below par compared with most of the design of all other VoiceOver >> features, that it must surely be the case that Apple is getting no advice, >> or poor advice, from anyone actually using Braille in their daily life. >> When you toggle “Automatic Braille Translation” off, you can take as long as >> you wish when inputting characters, and they’re not back-translated. Isn’t >> that what we want? Well yes, it would appear to be a step in the right >> direction. Except when you use it, you find that Braille is not readable on >> the display until you either press the space bar, or dots 4-5-cord. Why >> Apple believes this is acceptable, I have no idea. Can you imagine a sighted >> person finding it acceptable in any other scenario other than password >> entry, to not be able to look at what they’re entering until they press >> “Space”? >> But it’s worse than that. If you backspace over what you’ve typed, you run >> into back-translation issues similar to those experienced when automatic >> translation is set to on. >> Additionally, having to press dots 4-5-cord after inserting a letter in the >> middle of a word is counterintuitive, and again, an implementation far more >> primitive than anything else that offers contracted input. Apple seems to >> have implemented a pretty crude buffer, that is simply dumped when you type >> one of two commands to empty it. That is not a solution. >> The Braille implementation in iOS does not meet the “it’s intuitive and it >> just works” test that has been the hallmark of Apple products including >> VoiceOver. >> Now if it were just about us as Braille reading adults, I wouldn’t bother >> writing this post. It would get on my nerves, but I’d continue to work >> around it and just put it down to a bizarre, less than optimal >> implementation. I’m not writing this for me. I’m not asking blind people, >> and the world’s consumer organisations, to come together on this for me or >> people like me. I’m writing this for the kids. It’s the kids who matter. >> If you’re a Braille user, you’ll have seen the implementation of Nemeth in >> iOS 7. It’s there because Apple’s going after the education market, >> particularly in the US. Good for Apple. I can see enormous benefit in a kid >> being given an iPad and a Braille display for use at home and in school. >> Don’t underestimate how mainstream tech can be a great way to help blind >> kids blend in with sighted kids. Parents feel more empowered, because the >> iPad is technology they know and understand, so when the child gets in >> trouble at home, they can help out. Classroom teachers in mainstream schools >> know what an iPad is as well and feel similarly empowered. >> But all of these benefits have to be secondary considerations to the one >> that matters above all else, – equipping our kids with good Braille literacy >> skills. Braille is their ticket to higher education. Braille offers a >> greater chance of gainful employment. Braille is absolutely critical, and >> Braille is not to be trifled with. Half-baked Braille solutions are not >> appropriate for our kids when there’s a crisis in getting Braille >> instruction to them already. >> We should not expect our kids to have to learn to work-around Apple’s poor >> implementation, we should expect Apple to fix its Braille. >> For the last 20 years or so, blind kids have increasingly used proprietary >> notetaker technology. I’ve no problem whatsoever with technology moving on, >> and a category of product becoming obsolete. I love the idea of investing in >> a good Braille display that will last you for years, and upgrading the >> technology that drives the display on a more regular basis. But that >> technology has to do the Braille properly. >> There are cost savings to be made by cash-strapped agencies who purchase >> equipment for blind children, and that’s also why I’m writing this post. I >> can see bean-counters concluding that the combination of an iPad and a >> Braille display is a good solution for kids now. Many of these purchasers >> are not Braille users themselves, and I believe we have a duty of care to >> our kids to spread the word that Apple is not there yet. It is trying, and >> should be applauded for doing so, but still, it’s not there. >> You will remember the huge backlash caused by the initial release of Apple >> Maps in iOS 6. In terms of fitness for purpose, Apple Maps was far superior >> at release than Braille is now. The only difference is that Braille affects >> a tiny fraction of Apple’s user-base, not hundreds of millions of people. >> Lest anyone think I’m whining without a solution, I actually know a lot >> about this subject, having worked as a product manager with a range of >> products that use contracted Braille. I have a good feel for where Apple has >> got it wrong and what it might do to fix it, while not of course being >> familiar with the VoiceOver code. But I am absolutely confident that it’s >> fixable. Let’s not forget, Apple invented a way for blind people to make >> effective use of touch screens. Apple gave us unimagined access to taking >> photos. It is certainly not beyond Apple to look at best practice and figure >> this one out, because unlike some of the other things it’s done, the >> solutions already exist. >> If this poor-quality support had been offered to us by an assistive >> technology company, we’d have jumped all over it long before now. But given >> that Apple develops screen readers, that makes it both a mainstream >> technology company, and an assistive technology company. We should hold it >> to no less a standard. >> Having outlined the problem, here’s what I think needs to happen. >> Typically, I’d suggest that Apple needs to engage with the community with a >> view to fixing these issues for the sake of our kids, but that’s not really >> been its style. It is secretive by nature. In that case then, it needs to >> buy the expertise to make Braille truly viable in the education market. >> As Braille readers, we need to politely articulate the problems to Apple, >> and let Apple know we consider it important that they are fixed. >> Consumer organisations should do what they’ve done so many times before, and >> focus on their unity when it comes to Braille issues. A broad-coalition of >> consumers, educators and parents needs to ensure this issue is not allowed >> to drop. >> And finally, no one in charge of any purse strings should consider it an >> appropriate solution to give a kid an iPad in the classroom if they’re a >> Braille user. If purchasers want to move away from the blindness notetaker, >> and I get that, a laptop and Braille display is a far better solution in >> terms of Braille reliability and consistency. >> I’ll be the first to cheer loudly, and sing Apple’s praises, if it fixes its >> Braille. And I’ll continue to praise all it has done right, which I often do >> in media interviews and blindness tech forums. But please, for the sake of >> the kids, lets do what we need to do to advocate for good quality Braille on >> Apple devices. We have a duty to the next generation to do no less. >> I’ve done what I can as an individual to make Apple aware of these failings, >> but clearly, we need to do more to help it gain an appreciation of why this >> is so important. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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