Hi Brice,

I usually have either my Jabra Bluetooth or Apple Earpods handy. I know it's
warmer where you are, but here it is getting to e sweater and jacket time so
quite often I have my iPhone in my belt clip and I have the earpods plugged
in and the cable under my sweater with the ends hanging around my neck under
the color. This is very unobtrusive and if the phone rings I just pick up
the right earpiece, stick it in my ear and answer the phone with the remote.
This of course avoids the problem entirely. 

If I do answer without headset I found it's sometimes best to do the
2-finger double tap and not bring it up to the ear right away. I often just
ask the caller to hold just a second, then if I bring it up to my ear it's
often better and the switching if it happens mostly happens right at the
beginning.

I might have even decided to stand in line to get a Gold iPhone, but the
problem for me is that the nearest Apple Store for me is in Vancouver which
is a 1 hour and 40 minute flight in a Dash 8 4-engine turbo prop plane or a
1,500 mile round trip by road. Oh well, a couple weeks of looking forward to
it doesn't hurt in today's instant gratification society!

Good luck,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Brice Smith
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

Thanks, Sieghard. I'll write to Apple. I don't know what good it will do,
but something is better than nothing. In the mean time, I wonder if I should
just start triple clicking the home button when my phone rings so it won't
automatically switch to speaker phone, but then I won't be able to use the
two finger double tap gesture to actually answer the call if VO is turned
off.

I'm in North Carolina in the United States. Yep, the online orders for the
gold phone slipped to October at 3:25 a.m. Eastern, 25 minutes after it went
on sale. Guess who ordered his phone online exactly at
3:25 a.m.?

I guess the color doesn't really matter but still, I want gold for something
different. I'm hoping "October" changes soon and I don't have to wait
several weeks. I'm also planning on checking my local store now and then to
see if they have any models. IMO, Apple really messed up this launch with
the gold phone. Since I purchase device only, I could always go in store and
then cancel the online order with no repercussions if that option becomes
available.

Brice

On 9/22/13, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Brice,
>
> Yes, I agree, at least Apple could maybe allow people to turn this 
> automatic switching on and off in Accessibility Settings. Hopefully 
> you will take a few minutes to write to [email protected] and 
> express this, I have done so once before some time back and plan to do 
> so again and hopefully a lot of other people will join us.
>
> I also ordered an unlocked 5S on Friday, but while I had planned to 
> get the Gold one as well I decided to go with the Black/Space Grey one 
> again since it only showed a 7-10 day lead time and I didn't want to wait
6 or 7 weeks.
> Are you in Canada, the States or elsewhere in the world? Apple told me 
> on the phone that October means it might not ship until the end of 
> October which means I would get it at the beginning of November. Of 
> course it could also ship the first week of October and 10 business 
> days for my Space Grey one means it could also ship as late as October 
> 4, but hopefully it will be sooner.
>
> I read on the Today in iOS website that 5S availability at Apple 
> Stores around the world was miserable and some stores had none or 
> maybe only 1 or
> 2
> Gold 64 Gig phones. Apparently the Apple Store in Sidney Australia had 
> an
> 800 meter line up, ann entire half mile.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Brice Smith
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:10 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 4S, but I just ordered an unlocked gold 5s. It's not going to 
> ship until October, so if this continues or gets worse I'm going to 
> have to do something about it. I'm fairly happy with IOS 7 but I 
> really can't put up with this much longer.
>
> I would rather tap on the speaker phone button when I need it. This is 
> something I really can't stand about the design. Even if you're phone 
> is on speaker phone and you move your hand near the mouth piece, the 
> phone will automatically switch back which is also frustrating. I 
> can't believe there's still not a way to disable this.
>
> Brice
>
> On 9/22/13, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello Brice,
>>
>> Yes, on my 4S this happens a lot especially during the first 10 or so 
>> seconds of a call. However, I had this problem with iOS 6 as well, in 
>> fact, I received a replacement 4S 64 Gb back in March because my 
>> camera wasn't auto focusing any more and my old 4S was much better 
>> with that. Which phone do you have, a 4, 4S, 5 or a brandnew 5C or 5S?
>> I would be interested  to hear from people who already have their 5S 
>> if anybody has that issue.
>>
>> I actually think Apple should completely remove this automatic 
>> switching to speakerphone. I don't understand why I can't tap the 
>> Speakerphone button just like any sighted person if I want my call on 
>> Speakerphone and this would completely get rid of this issue which 
>> has been an issue to some degree for certain people for the last 4 years.
>> What does everybody else think, would you prefer to have to double 
>> tap on the Speakerphone button or would you prefer to keep the 
>> automatic
> switching as is?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Brice Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:32 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Speaker Phone with Voiceover
>>
>> Hi, everyone.
>>
>> Sometimes, my phone switches to speaker phone automatically when I 
>> double tap to answer a call and bring the phone to my ear. This only 
>> started happening after I updated to IOS 7. Before that, I could 
>> always double tap, immediately lift the phone to my ear and start 
>> talking with the speaker phone reliably turned off. Now, my phone 
>> will occasionally switch to speaker phone even when the phone is next 
>> to my head when I've just started a call.
>>
>> I use my phone for work so this inconsistency is really frustrating.
>> Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brice
>>
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