Hi all This is done everywhere in industry. Cars have to come out when they have to and are released with known bugs. A recall is cheaper than not having the product come out on time because a delay could cause customers to go to a competitor and also, a lot of people don't bother to bring in their car or appliance. Its just that in this industry, they have the advantage of being able to fix things cheaply and conveniently. Having said that, I agree with cara that it is being taken advantage of on the backs of the loyal consumers but we have to agree that every industry does it and not only software.
We have to say that Apple hardware is of good quality, not many of us have to bring the product back, the hardware and software come out on time as announced preventing people from going to a competitor and software is repaired and sent to us in a reasonable time period so, in the end, it's a question of marketing and it seems to me like Apple have some of the best in that field. They know what they can get away with and they do it and we play their game. For as long as we play their game and become their unpaid employees, they will keep on doing it until the market shows that it no longer works and that's not about to happen in any predictable future. Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:14 AM To: viphone Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I agree but, I don't know if comparing a car or kitchen appliance works here. For example, If a feature on your fridge doesn't work, may tag can't just push an update to it in 2 weeks to fix the problem. And Cars need a higher level of tolerance because well, you can die or kill others. And even then, cars are released with features knowingly not ready, and they tell you to come into the dealership to have the feature fixed. I think if you wait for every bug to be squashed in an OS, we would probably still be using Windows 95, and no new features would be added because, new features cause more bugs. So then they need to be fixed. And on and on. Like most things in life its a balancing act. Few things are perfect. You just hope the new features out way the inconveniences. Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Cara, > I couldn't agree with you more. The notion that it is "okay" to release software just because it is "time" is ridiculous. I know of no other segment in the economy we're such sloppiness would be permitted. > You are surely correct that this is not just an Apple issue. Microsoft and Google are doing it and have been doing it for a long time. But it doesn't make it right. How would people feel if they bought an oven or a car or refrigerator and found out that some of the supposed features didn't work right? They would take it back to the store. There would be an outcry. But with software? No. You just have to live with it. One of the things about Apple products is that you pay more than you would for an equivalent PC or android device. The idea is that "it just works." Can't say that anymore. > I have a new Mac with Mountain lion, and I have to say, it is more inconsistent than my old one with Snow Leopard. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi There, >> >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> on any device. 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