He's talking about the iPhone 4 and not the iPhone 4S, at least the way I read it. It's true the 4S is still being manufactured, while the iPhone 4 is not, but the 4S is quite a bit more powerful than the iPhone 4.

On 10/06/2013 09:47 AM, Troy Sullivan wrote:
He is also claiming that the 4 series doesn't work well and is very
sluggish with ios7, I don't think apple would still be manufacturing the
4s if this were the case.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing
iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


I don't think it's a fact that new software is always buggy. That
depends a lot on the software and the testing the software went
through before it was released. The process of finding and fixing bugs
is on going, so there's no guarantee that any particular bugs will be
fixed in a given update or that new bugs won't be introduced as other
bugs are fixed.

Companies aren't moving slowly to windows 7 because they were waiting
for the bugs to get ironed out, if that's what you're implying. Large
companies need to train support staff on a new OS, they need to verify
that all of the applications they need to do their job works on the
new OS, they need to develop a roll out plan to upgrade systems to the
new operating system, they need to develop training materials for
employees that will be moving to the new OS, they need to make an
investment in their hardware to ensure it'll run the new OS and so on.
this all takes time and money, so companies schedule this very
carefully and don't do it lightly.

One reason I consider moving up to a new level of software is for
accessibility improvements. If the software I'm using right now has
some accessibility issues, and I have some reason to think the newer
version may address these issues then I'll move up more quickly. Lotus
products are a good example of this for me. Also, if you're going to
have to move up anyway, such as if the company you're working for is
rolling out a new version, or Apple is encouraging everyone to move up
to the latest OS, then the earlier you move up and start reporting
bugs the sooner you'll get those bugs worked out.

New features are also a reason to move up to a new version of
software. I know I've made a decision to move up to a new version of
an application if it had a feature in it I really wanted, and I was
willing to put up with some buggy behavior to get that new
functionality. Windows 7, IOS 7, Lotus Notes 8, Ubuntu 12.04 are a few
examples I can think of off the top of my head.

Of course, if we're talking about Apple then there's also a push from
Apple to move up to the latest and greatest. they encourage us to do
this by pushing out the latest updates, not signing older versions of
the OS so rolling back is not an option, dropping support for older
versions of the OS and so on. A lot of the discussion on list is not
regrets from moving up but rather Apple's push to get everyone on the
latest OS within days of it's release.

On 10/05/2013 11:51 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote:
Hi,

My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and
install a new
product?  Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it
true
that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished
taking
the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies
are just
moving to Windows 7 now?

My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any
high tech device.

Ron & Danvers

Falling down is part of LIFE...
Getting back up is LIVING...


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Gary Petraccaro
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing
iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded.  The rest of
those of us
who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are
waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded.
I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering
contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen
to buy
this phone.  What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so
by a
newby.  Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my
previous phone.  It's now not as big a deal as it would have been
when I was
first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might
very
easily not have been that way.  I want a phone that's a convenience
not a
chore.  I use a computer and don't tinker much.  This looks like a
decided
step backwards.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing
iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple
would
load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other
buttons
as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night
with
no
knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last,
but
then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just
curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot
think that
it has.

Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now
forcing iOS
6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it
half-empty
for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker?
It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a
half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but
seriously
dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true,
then why
did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded
the
iOS
on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to
choose to
instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and
then
choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the
install and
the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make
sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if
this
sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you
will see
that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer.
Also,
the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have
pushed
it
out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users
who use
the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's
what
they want.

This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to
express
your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should
consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad.
You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So,
this
leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple
and
iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one?


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I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've
got to
murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. -
Sheldon
Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the
IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement,
and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that
information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email.
Either apple.
When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in
the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our
devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple
devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company
that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people
on the world, are impossible.
When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but
at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my
permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the
IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us.
This is a command from apple.
so I don't see so ridiculous  my email.
when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not
bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7  has. Even though, as you say,
apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a
right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we
are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a
right?
No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email,
ridiculous .
Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You
paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money,
it was money that could be the payment for  a whole year of work in
many
countries  on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you
paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device.
So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous .
But let me tell  you in my opinion what is ridiculous .
ridiculous  is when we pay to a company that created a good software,
a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your
life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get
problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because
every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with
money cracked, you didn't paid it with  a check without funds, you
paid it with money, good money.
What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my
iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a
lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that
they created, that works better is a right?
No, it is not a right.
On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou
<[email protected]> wrote:

Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to
update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't
own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right
to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs
exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use
the software.

On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <[email protected]> wrote:
So is it running slow on the 5s as well?
-------

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act
now!!!!!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know
everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo Walker" <[email protected]>
To: "viphone" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now
forcing iOS 6

holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


Hi,

I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS
7. Is

it slower than my iPhone 5?  Yes.  But, I think 5 seconds to open
most apps

is a bit of an exaggeration.  Sure, some apps might take a while,
the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority
of apps.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
[email protected]
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales
<[email protected]>
wrote:

Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are
on the

streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we
need the gps, So 5  seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer
versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know,
why?
The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones?
maybe the graphic appearance?


----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now
forcing iOS

6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right
away, it

could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to
upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now
forcing iOS

6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.


Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under
two on a

4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
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On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that
sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs
slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up.
i just can't buy that.

--
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Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. -
Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Yes, IOs 7  is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5
and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very
annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so
slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start
opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run
an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that
the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be
good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative
new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone
5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an
new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't
mean richness.
Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an
iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower,
and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run
what ever IOs apple wants?
We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those
devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on
my property?



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