Pablo, I totally agree with you that Apple has no right to download the IOS on your equipment without your permission, it was very wrong. That is one issue.
The next issue is that, you as an individual, don't have to install it until you have collected all the necessary information to make a decision as to whether you are ready to install it. If you installed the IOS 7 on your iPhone 4 at the very beginning and it is running slower than you expected, it was your call and this is what you have to live with until they get the bugs out. I hate to tell you that this could take another month or so if we go by past performance. I also have to tell you that my iPhone four is a bit slower, of course, but I accepted that this would happen before I installed IOS 7 because that was an obvious conclusion. The phone is slower but it is extremely workable. I wish you didn't mix 2 very different issues in the same basket. Having said all that, this will be my last comment on this subject because it is getting very old. Repeating the same thing for the next month until a fix is available will serve nothing but to annoy other listers. I hope this topic is put to bed very soon. Ron & Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Ron. It could happen, because 2 reasons. 1. The IOs is downloaded automatically to the iPhone, without agreement, without ask, without any warning. Of course, it occupied space in the memory, and when we are talking about an iPhone of 16 GB, and iPhone 4 of 16GB, then the space is very important, and the only way to empty that space that is full with the download of the IOs is just installing the operated system. 2. I don't know, but when I make an update, I am waiting improvements, no bugs, not a operated system that works so slow, and operated system that should be for newer devices, not for devices that has around 4 years. It is the worse part, the people who has a device of 4 years old, has to update the operated system, it is a command, because it is the way to empty the memory occupied by the IOs download. But at the same way, the new IOs, works so slow, and with bunches of bugs. It is the reason why people, like me, didn't have another choice more than install IOs 7 in the iPhone 4. It could be a way to push the users of iPhone 4 devices to buy new devices. a good business. Now, let me ask you something. Ok, we can start from thinking that all new operated system has bugs. Bugs that are mistakes of the operated system developer. My question is this. Why the customers has to install, mandatory, as a, command the new operated systems developed by companies that just send out new versions of operated system? Why me as a customer, I have to install the new operated system, why it is a command, why I have to help apple to improve their IOs, reporting the bugs? So more than the money that I paid for my device, now they are expecting from me that I report the bugs and mistakes of their IOs developers? Why? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Pelletier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > Hi, > > My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install > a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? > Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even > quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a > lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? > > My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use > any high tech device. > > Ron & Danvers > > Falling down is part of LIFE... > Getting back up is LIVING... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing > iOS > 6 > holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those > of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it > or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got > downloaded. > I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble > entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would > have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the > experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts > having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a > deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and > entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been > that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a > computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step > backwards. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM > Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing > iOS > 6 > holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. > > >> Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple >> would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or >> other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens >> in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this >> one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous >> message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually >> happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. >> >> Neal >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing >> iOS >> 6 >> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> >> Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it >> half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? >> It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of >> a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but >> seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is >> true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that >> Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about >> your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms >> that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't >> force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in >> face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, >> you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, >> so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that >> despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. >> Also, >> the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have >> pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of >> users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about >> it because it's what they want. >> >> This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to >> express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe >> you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all >> bad. >> You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, >> this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you >> hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos >> I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've >> got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles >> stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >> >> On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>> Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that >>> the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my >>> agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to >>> remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>> Either apple. >>> When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in >>> the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in >>> our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the >>> apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a >>> company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of >>> the people on the world, are impossible. >>> When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but >>> at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my >>> permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing >>> the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. >>> This is a command from apple. >>> so I don't see so ridiculous my email. >>> when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not >>> bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you >>> say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is >>> not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working >>> well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working >>> better, it is a right? >>> No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, >>> ridiculous . >>> Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You >>> paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, >>> it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many >>> countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you >>> paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. >>> So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . >>> But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . >>> ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good >>> software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a >>> difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and >>> you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you >>> fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because >>> you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check >>> without funds, you paid it with money, good money. >>> What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my >>> iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings >>> a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software >>> that they created, that works better is a right? >>> No, it is not a right. >>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to >>>> update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't >>>> own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the >>>> right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a >>>> few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you >>>> chose to use the software. >>>> >>>>> On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> So is it running slow on the 5s as well? >>>>> ------- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>>> >>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>>> now!!!!! >>>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>>>> >>>>> Please click on: >>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>>> played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics >>>>> format formerly on my >>>>> >>>>> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Ricardo Walker" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "viphone" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>> forcing iOS 6 >>>>> >>>>> holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using >>>>> IOS 7. Is >>>>> >>>>> it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open >>>>> most apps >>>>> >>>>> is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, >>>>> the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority >>>>> of apps. >>>>> >>>>> JMO. >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we >>>>>> are on the >>>>>> >>>>>> streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and >>>>>> we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer >>>>>> versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, >>>>>> why? >>>>>> The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? >>>>>> maybe the graphic appearance? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Sullivan" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>> >>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right >>>>>>> away, it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to >>>>>>> upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now >>>>>>> forcing iOS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under >>>>>>>> two on a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>>>>>>> Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that >>>>>>>>> sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS >>>>>>>>> runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. >>>>>>>>> i just can't buy that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>>>>> Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - >>>>>>>>> Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 >>>>>>>>>> and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is >>>>>>>>>> very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works >>>>>>>>>> so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start >>>>>>>>>> opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run >>>>>>>>>> an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that >>>>>>>>>> the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will >>>>>>>>>> be good for the users who has iDevices with processors >>>>>>>>>> relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy >>>>>>>>>> an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple >>>>>>>>>> create an new device. 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