It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,. you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for free.
On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > Andy, > > Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it > which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car > nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance. > In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains > is > the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the > service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems > you are part of will just have to find other still free options. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Andy Baracco > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers > responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee > > The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds > like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, > wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are > doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such > as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers > responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee > > Hi Carol, > > No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You > really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app > does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to > Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a > real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is > sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. > > Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe > other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had > to start charging or shut the service down completely. > > If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their > 100 > picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you > send and receive a reply/description. > If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 > for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or > 1,000 pictures. > The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 > which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 > pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the > 100 > picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't > go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have > 78 > left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after > 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take > unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could > have done so for a lot less. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Carol Forrester > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers > responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee > > can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this > actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov > 2013, > at 04:37, Wayne gmail <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every >> customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the >> app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide >> if it > is >> acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the > money >> to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen >> it, > know >> how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose >> to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. >> >> Wayne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers >> responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee >> >> Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions >> on > how >> to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should >> not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the >> product > or >> parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not >> charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough >> to be of > any >> use. >> >> On 11/10/13, TapTapSee <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Cara, >>> >>> Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we >>> do not use volunteers. >>> >>> On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll >>> be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing >>> effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with > their >> iDevices. >>> We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the >>> best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource >>> for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each >>> other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> TapTapSee >>> >>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: >>>> >>>> HI John and All, >>>> >>>> While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea >>>> that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take >>>> good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not >>>> quite accurate. >>>> >>>> As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even >>>> though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely >>>> take the idea of >>>> >>>> asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very >>>> seriously. >>>> >>>> So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers >>>> responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and >>>> that service depends on both the quality of said images which are >>>> submitted, and also the information about those images which is >>>> returned to the customer. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking >>>> steps to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population >>>> benefited by this >>>> >>>> app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. >>>> I do >>>> >>>> think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user >>>> experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take >>>> these >>>> >>>> to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a >>>> responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown. >>>> >>>> I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for >>>> CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also >>>> offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model >>>> will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need >>>> this app will find useful, convenient and affordable. >>>> >>>> I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, >>>> which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities >>>> for just this >>>> >>>> type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact >>>> service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may >>>> give many users here some idea of what is happening behind the >>>> scenes to power this app so that >>>> >>>> you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think >>>> it's always a good idea to know what is happening with what products >>>> you use so >>>> >>>> that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important >>>> for the >>>> >>>> visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately >>>> from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for >>>> necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically >>>> handed out for >>>> >>>> nothing or way over-priced. >>>> >>>> Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very >>>> easy currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it > out! >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below! >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara :) >>>> >>>> http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou >>>> <[email protected]<javascript:>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but >>>> that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or >>>> not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we >>>> can over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for >>>> example if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not >>>> straight, etc. That can be done with a different package which >>>> doesn't cost money. In fact with technology it has been proven that >>>> yes we can even drive a car (probably better than some of the >>>> sighted people out >>>> there.) >>>> >>>> On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows >>>>> that a >>>> blind >>>>> person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something >>>>> like >>>> taking >>>>> pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like >>>> asking a >>>>> blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic >>>>> accident. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> From: David Chittenden >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> So, I am trying to understand your comment. >>>>> >>>>> If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying >>>> TapTapSee >>>>> should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult >>>>> for >>>> you >>>>> to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during >>>>> your >>>>> >>>>> argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the >>>>> same >>>>> >>>>> resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the >>>>> picture is >>>>> >>>> the >>>>> picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more >>>> difficult to >>>>> ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good >>>> pictures >>>>> actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, >>>> precise >>>>> pictures. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per >>>>> month. >>>>> >>>> In >>>>> other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at >>>>> just >>>>> >>>> a >>>>> small premium above the 100 picture package. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, "Dawn Petty" >>>>> <[email protected]<javascript:>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my >>>>> camera >>>>> >>>> is >>>>> aiming at something else rather than the selected object. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Bill Gallik >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying >>>>> specific, >>>>> >>>>> in-hand products. >>>>> ---------------- >>>>> Holland's Boy, Bill >>>>> - "Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes." >>>>> - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought >>>> movement, >>>>> 1883-1970 >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Alan Paganelli >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> Ok here's my question. I may have to take several pictures >>>>> moving >>>> the >>>>> iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili. >>>> That's >>>>> helpful but not very informative. If I under stand you then that >>>>> would >>>>> >>>> be a >>>>> successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in >>>> reality, >>>>> I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans. I don't have a >>>>> problem paying. I'm not looking for something for nothing. I'm >>>>> just concerned >>>>> >>>> that >>>>> I get the information I need with out being over charged. With the >>>> hundred >>>>> picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get >>>>> it >>>> right, >>>>> then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that >>>>> can. >>>>> >>>> The >>>>> same thing with boxes etc. Box of cereal is not what I need to know. >>>> Box >>>>> of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is. >>>>> ------- >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013! >>>>> >>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >>>> now!!!!! >>>>> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >>>>> >>>>> Please click on: >>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances >>>> played >>>>> on >>>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format >>>>> formerly >>>>> >>>> on >>>>> my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: TapTapSee >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> Paula, >>>>> We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix >>>>> it >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that >>>>> return an >>>>> >>>>> identification to your phone. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What about those pictures that come back as "failed"? I was >>>> trying >>>>> to get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had >>>> timed >>>>> out. There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually >>>>> got the >>>>> >>>>> picture of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for. Would >>>>> I be >>>>> >>>>> charged for the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan? >>>>> >>>>> God bless! >>>>> >>>>> Paula and Babe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Donna, >>>>> >>>>> It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. >>>>> 7th to >>>>> >>>>> Dec. 6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those >>>> dates a >>>>> message for subscription will appear. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go >>>>> from >>>> the >>>>> date of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. >>>> 6th? >>>>> Or from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. >>>>> Nov. >>>>> >>>> 1st >>>>> to Nov. 30rd? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Debbie, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is something someone else suggested today as well. It >>>>> is definitely something that we'll look into for a future update. >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>> for >>>>> the suggestion! >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that >>>>> is accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if >>>>> you >>>> purchase >>>>> the 100 picture package? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Debbie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is >>>>> good until you run out of the 100 pictures. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, >>>>> Kramlinger, >>>> Keith >>>>> G., M.D. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration >>>> date? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of TapTapSee >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced >>>>> to change TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will >>>>> continue to >>>>> >>>>> improve our service in order to provide you with the high quality >>>>> tags >>>> that >>>>> you've come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to >>>> improving >>>>> the app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next >>>>> few >>>>> >>>> days >>>>> a message will pop up on the app that will present you with two >>>>> option. >>>>> >>>>> Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of >>>>> Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your >>>>> Apple iTunes >>>> account. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, >>>>> rubyalphonse >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was >>>>> happy >>>>> >>>> to >>>>> have this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I >>>>> have to >>>>> >>>>> subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about >>>> this. >>>>> Why sudden change I wonder. 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