Holy messages! I go away for five hours, and come back to 35 messages in this thread! <grin>
I'm surprised at the attacks going on here. Were my statements generalized too far? Yes, but they are based on my using NVDA and Jaws across XP, Vista, and Win7 on at least six computers that come to mind immediately - there are probably more. That's not a fair sample size, but given that, plus all the comments I get from users (even sighted) about how much more stable and easy the Mac is to use, well, there must be something to it. Obviously the Mac has flaws and bugs, which is why I suggested the www.applevis.com site and its page for new Mac users, plus the forums and there Mac resources. The forums are a great place to ask this question, and get more varied answers than you might find here. These are my opinions, and I would appreciate being extended the same courtesy that Joseph wants - don't assume my background, or tell me I'm just wrong because your machine works while the many I and others have encountered don't. When it comes to a choice like this, there is no right or wrong; if there were, the "wrong" platform would not still be in business. Oh, and for free screen-reading on Windows, NVDA is a great choice, especially nowadays. On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Betty Emmons <[email protected]> wrote: > can a person who has a mac use a flat bed scanner to scan printed materials? > I am aware that phones can scan documents. I have a lot of scanning > Betty Emmons > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Cochran" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: Mac and pc > > > Whatever you choose to do, there are pros and cons, of course. If you switch > to a Mac, you will be learning a new operating system and a new screen > reader, and you'll have to allow time and effort for that. If you are up to > it, it has the potential of being very rewarding. There's also something to > be said for choosing what you know. > > When I got my Mac, I considered very carefully that I'd have to "crawl" > before I could "walk". It took me about a month to get up to speed, but each > person's mileage will vary. > > Remember that you can use your iDevice with either the Mac or PC. Good luck, > whatever you choose to do. > > HtH, > Teresa > > Winging its way from my iPod > >> On Jun 18, 2014, at 2:45 PM, alberto <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, lets all disagree to agree. All devices have their benefits Tod I have >> used both and know what can be accomplished with each. >> If you choose pc it is all up to you. Some of us prefer mac and just like >> you we also have a choice and therefore you shouldn't bash a device based on >> your possible experience or none experience and only talk based on what >> others say. >> If you have worked with macs you should know they are better then many >> things out there, and a screen reader comes included for the price. >> Now with pc you have to pay the pc, a screen reader which in most cases is >> over $1000 fee for starters and if you want to keep up to date you have to >> pay every 2 year upgrades of over $400. Like I said it is all personal >> choice and you chose pc that is fine, and some of us choose mac or even both >> and it is fine too. >> >> >>> On Jun 18, 2014, at 2:20 PM, todd patkus <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, Alex. You are mistaken this time. >>> >>> I have been in the tech field for many years! Therefore, I have seen >>> enough of all! >>> >>> Your statement below proves invalid. >>> >>> I have not had any problems with PC at all. >>> >>> You do not have enough proof to prove what you believe! >>> >>> No arguments here. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 15:59:50 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: Mac and pc >>> >>>> There is a lot more to it than that, and your assertion that Mac >>> software is more expensive is simply not true. Pages, Keynote, and Numbers >>> are all free on new Macs, while it costs at least $100 (usually more) for >>> similar applications on Windows. The Mac includes the App Store, so >>> restoring apps to a new or freshly reformatted Mac is as easy as signing in >>> and choosing the apps you want to re-download. No codes, license keys, >>> activations, or anything like you deal with with paid software on Windows. >>> Also, VoiceOver on the Mac has never frozen on me, and when it crashes >>> (which is rare) it restarts itself and is talking within five seconds. >>> Windows screen readers all have stability problems or other oddities that >>> make them harder to deal with, and Windows itself loves to lock up on me. >>> On the Mac, even if an app freezes, VO simply reports that app as "busy" >>> and the rest of the system is unaffected, whereas all of Windows locks up >>> in a similar situation. Yes, Macs are more expensive, but they last >>> longer, are usually lighter and smaller, and are upgraded longer. Plus, >>> they tend to hold their resale value much better than some Wal-Mart special >>> laptop, so if you want to sell your Macbook later you can probably get more >>> for it. >>> >>>> I encourage you to visit www.applevis.com and go to the page for >>> new Mac users. I have a couple articles there about the pros and cons of >>> the Mac, getting started with basic apps, and so on, and others have >>> helpful articles and podcasts. This should help you get a better idea of >>> what is involved in switching. The Macvisionaries list >>> ([email protected]) is a great resource, but be >>> warned that it is pretty high-traffic. >>> >>>> For the most part, Pages and MS Word are pretty compatible >>> nowadays, Complex formatting might not transfer well, but the basics >>> (fonts, margins, spacing, etc) should. This particular issue is not >>> specific to accessibility, though, so I'm sure plenty of articles are out >>> there that talk about it in detail. >>>> On Jun 18, 2014, at 3:42 PM, todd patkus <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> Haya, >>> >>>>> I remind you that there are PROS and CONS in both. >>> >>>>> Neither can be perfect as you would like them to be. >>> >>>>> Macs are popular here, but PC are still used. Macs cost even >>> more than PC does. >>> >>>>> For software, PC has even more software for less money while >>> software for Mac are fewer and cost more. >>> >>>>> For me, I would rather go for PC since I am most familiar with, >>> and it is by far easier to deal with. I care less about Macs. Not the top >>> priority.. >>> >>>>> The con for PC is, a lot of folks dislike Windows 8. I do not >>> bother that one; I go with Windows 7. That is it. >>> >>>>> Todd >>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy <[email protected] >>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] >>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:10:04 +0300 >>>>>> Subject: Mac and pc >>> >>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>> I'm trying to decide whether I should get a Mac laptop or a pc. >>>>> I am fairly sure I want a Mac, but I want to know how well the >>> Mac can cope with a document that was written and formatted on a pc and >>> more importantly, vice versa. 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