Hello List, As several have pointed out, different strokes for different folks. Like on the Mac OS side there are a few ways to skin a cat and collectively from all the resources out there, I am able to choose the style that fits me best in performing a task whether it be navigating the iPhone or Mac or using an app more efficiently. I am eclectic in nature and I have found that various resources will add to the experience in using the OS or iOS environment. There have been other threads in the past that have been ridiculed on this list whether it be a new publication or an app that individuals feel are too expensive and there are some that feel that all items either books or apps should be free or cost almost nothing because being blind is an entitlement to receive stuff either for free or at a low cost. This is nothing new and hopefully, the monitors of this list will either close the thread and/or handle the inflammatory remarks off list. This is all I want to say and will begin to use that wonderful delete key on this thread.
Thanks for listening. Cheers, Eileen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye Let's show the same level of compassion toward others that we would like to receive. That's something you cannot learn from an iPhone. Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5s! > On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:07 AM, "Flor Lynch" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well said, Christopher. Also, different people certainly have different learning styles, as Jonathan said. And people's patience and frustration levels with a new tool, such as iOS8 will be, also vary. Lists can only get you so far; and one often finds more negative messages about things wrong than messages about things right. yet the fact is that someone's 'major bug' often will be another's minor irritant - if even that. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye > > > I agree with Jerry here, but I'll let the list moderators deal with > the rudeness on the list. > > It is true that a lot of information will show up on this list, and > even more information will be made freely available via podcasts on > places like AppleVis.com. There are some people though who would like > a well written and well organized introduction into the new features of IOS 8. > It's much more efficient to go through such a book then it is to slog > through all of the questions and answers that will show up on this list. > It'll be a high traffic list when IOS 8 comes out, many questions will > be repeated, opinions will be stated, subject lines won't be updated, > threads will be hijacked and although it'll be a great resource, it > could be a pretty tedious way to find the few nuggets of new > information someone is particularly looking for in IOS 8. > > Jonathan has freely contributed a lot of information to the blindness > community over the years, and I know I've learned a lot from his > posts, his podcasts and his blog articles. I don't have a problem with > someone putting his time and effort into writing a good resource for > the blind and then putting it up for sale. I doubt anyone is going to > get rich writing a book for the blind IOS user. If it's a good > resource, and people are willing to pay for it, then it'll be > successful and a useful tool for those who want to get that > information in that format. Not everyone learns and picks up things in > the same way so the more choices the better. I'm sure there are books > for the sighted IOS user, so I see it as a good thing that we in the > blindness community have the same type of choices. > > I know Jonathan is a professional who's been working in the blindness > field for a while, so I'm assuming he will take the high road and not > respond in kind to the post Jerry is referring to below. This is a > public list, and none of us get to choose who is and is not on the list. > We won't like every opinion that's expressed here, so hopefully > everyone will consider the source and let a member express their > opinion without it devolving into a flame war. > > On 07/29/2014 01:18 AM, Jerry Mader wrote: >>> I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my >>> opinion in on this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph >>> had said. I don't think that Jonathan is trying to make money off of >>> us I think he's just trying to sell a book. You don't have to buy >>> that book if you so desire sir but there may be other people who do. >>> I wish that people wouldn't make such disrespectful comments. >>> Because technically, we are very lucky to have this book! Do you >>> know of any other place we can get this information besides this >>> list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go >>> look. But I don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has >>> spent countless hours probably, researching all of this information >>> to bring it to us in a straight forward way. Why disrespect the guy >>> by saying what you did. That was not right. However you have your >>> opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I did not mean to start >>> any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will be one who >>> buys > this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It really > isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you > can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known > things that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That > I've known things like this book, that people spend money on and do > use every day. Just thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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