Yes, but you will enjoy a good device, a very expensive device, for a short period of time, because when the new release come, the story will start again. This is thepoint, we paid a lot of money for a new device, and we need, or we have to support bugs for months. With IOs7, happened the same thing, and IOs7 didn't have the number of bugs that IOs8 is getting. We have to wait for months until apple fix not all, but the most part of bugs related with accessibility or not related with it. Now, months later, a new release comes, and the story started again. In one or 2 months, a new IOs8 will come, but not fixing everything, and in cases, will bring another problems. And there we are, giving thanks to apple and kissing the floor that applewalked on. No way. One year ago, I said, apple needs to change this way of make business. They are abusing. But we will see what happen.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is! On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Sharonda, > > Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled > today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an > Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused > the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality > control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, > the subjet line can stay there for a while > > Ron & Danvers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with > VoiceOver > > Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not > complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is > not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. > > Sharonda > Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain >> <chalt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian >> for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. >> >>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: >>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with >>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't >>> handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't >>> have supported it. >>> >>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote: >>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. >>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. >>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. >>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die >>>> on me. >>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it >>>> crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. >>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the >>>> case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap >>>> to toggle the voice on and off. >>>> >>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, >>>> try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me >>>> in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off >>>> and then back on as well. >>>> >>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver >>>> bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart >>>> phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. >>>> IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to >>>> making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated >>>> the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if >>>> we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off >>>> then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many >>>> people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit >>>> where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle >>>> Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be >>>> content with. >>>> >>>>> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >>>>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the >>>>> iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS >>>>> / VO to catch up. >>>>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. >>>>> Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a >>>>> year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. >>>>> Let's see what happens. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 >>>>>> as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out >>>>>> while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification >>>>>> comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button >>>>>> and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is >>>>>> already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. >>>>>> Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to >>>>>> restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo >>>>>> being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. >>>>>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total >>>>>> crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. >>>>>> If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple >>>>>> can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as >>>>>> it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and >>>>>> VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at >>>>>> least listening to what Droid is doin >>>> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since >>>> the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this >>>> release and the >>>> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the >>>> answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>> viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by >>>>>> default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running >>>>>> of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is >>>>>> inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly >>>>>> rather than posting on the list itself. 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