waw man, I would not say better ...
I stopped to help the apple to solve the problems of vo because the
apple never heard me.
I never seen anything that I reported has been resolved ...
apple has to solve the problems of bugs in vo with the same respect that
solves the problems of sighted people ..
the facts prove what you write ...
and this is repeated in a vicious cycle of months and years ...
we never use the iPhone with full responsibility.
Congratulations for your courage to speak the truth ...
we have to stop defending apple and show them that there must be more
responsable in commitment assumed with the accessibility ...
thanks for your words friend.
cheers.
Em 25/09/2014 10:34, Pablo Morales escreveu:
Yes, but you will enjoy a good device, a very expensive device, for a short
period of time, because when the new release come, the story will start
again. This is thepoint, we paid a lot of money for a new device, and we
need, or we have to support bugs for months. With IOs7, happened the same
thing, and IOs7 didn't have the number of bugs that IOs8 is getting. We have
to wait for months until apple fix not all, but the most part of bugs
related with accessibility or not related with it. Now, months later, a new
release comes, and the story started again. In one or 2 months, a new IOs8
will come, but not fixing everything, and in cases, will bring another
problems. And there we are, giving thanks to apple and kissing the floor
that applewalked on.
No way. One year ago, I said, apple needs to change this way of make
business. They are abusing.
But we will see what happen.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver
Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and
IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to
this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with
Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in
love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is!
On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Sharonda,
Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled
today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an
Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused
the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality
control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned,
the subjet line can stay there for a while
Ron & Danvers
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver
Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not
complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is
not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion.
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian
for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
have supported it.
On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote:
First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die
on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it
crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
to toggle the voice on and off.
Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me
in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off
and then back on as well.
I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart
phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off
then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many
people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit
where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle
Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be
content with.
On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the
iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS
/ VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a
year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
Let's see what happens.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com>
wrote:
I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8
as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification
comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button
and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is
already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks.
Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to
restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo
being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total
crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community.
If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple
can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as
it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and
VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at
least listening to what Droid is doin
g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since
the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this
release and the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the
answer.
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