I have found the 5 to be a pain. When I press the home button, sometimes 
VoiceOver shuts off. It is inconsistently doing this. Other than that, I love if

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> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
> an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
> until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
>> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
>> supported it.
>> 
>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote:
>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO
>>> is
>>> on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
>>> that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
>>> the voice on and off.
>>> 
>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
>>> triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
>>> situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
>>> on as well.
>>> 
>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
>>> is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
>>> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
>>> one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
>>> main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the
>>> rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
>>> with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
>>> called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
>>> their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
>>> just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
>>> accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.
>>> 
>>>> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
>>>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone.
>>>> iOS
>>>> is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
>>>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
>>>> blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
>>>> fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
>>>> happens.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
>>>>> the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while
>>>>> tapping
>>>>> the screen at the same time a push notification comes through.
>>>>> VoiceOVer
>>>>> just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
>>>>> turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
>>>>> hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
>>>>> and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I
>>>>> hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8
>>>>> Apple.
>>>>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and
>>>>> a
>>>>> really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't
>>>>> upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
>>>>> actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
>>>>> engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the
>>>>> bottom
>>>>> of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is
>>>>> doin
>>> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
>>> and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and
>>> the
>>> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the
>>> answer.
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