not finger ppointing at anyone, but at times, most times, i do wonder, what is really the accessibility issue of Apple, and what is user errores, or the lack of understanding and training for user usage.
I heard this over and over again, from different list how apple is inaccessible for VO user, how Apple got so many different and keystrokes to learn compare to jaws and windows and etc etc. But, do these users really give VO a chance, putting window aside, for say, 3 months, and really focus on VO And these people also often forget to celebrate the good things of accessibility on apple products, but instead, decide to focus on the bad things and how inaccessible apple products are for VO user. I'm not saying apple is perfect, in many ways apple is far from perfect, or the ideal technology for blind users. But at the same time, if Apple is so inaccessible, why then, there are more and more blind and VI professionals switch to Apple instead of stay on with windows? Just my 0.2 worth of sense On 25/09/2014, mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > > yes friend absolutely right. > I also share your words ... > I sold my imac because I was tired of the irresponsibility of the apple. > I thought things were better in IOS and with the money from selling the > imac bought an iPhone. > but once again the apple disappointed me because it is the total > irresponsibility on all your systems ... > vo on OSX, is stopped in time. > Apple does not listen to us and no longer serves us as it should ... > I think that apple is no longer able to continue to innovate the vo. > if apple would hear us things would not be this shame ... > we must have the same rights as the sighted people. > let's stop to say amen to favors that apple makes us ... > apple stop sleeping in the spotlight ... > open your eyes and stop being irresponsible ... > cheers. > > Em 25/09/2014 10:27, Pablo Morales escreveu: >> >> Hmmm, I think everything has a limit. Apple makes great products, even >> though, it should not be a excuse to start doing this kind of things. >> Since this last year, me and apple are very mad. Mad, because I am >> noticing that for them, when they have a huge reputation, they want to >> sale more, and IOs and other examples is something that apple is not >> testing enough, just to make more money. >> >> Anyway. I am very happy now, with my IOs 7.1.2, and you know what? >> >> I have less than one year using this IOs 7.1.2, why I will install a >> new release with bunches of bugs? >> >> It doesn't make sense. But it is my opinion, and I respect who wants >> to try something new, when they know that IOs8 is getting a lot of >> problems, related with the accessibility, and not with the accessibility. >> >> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Ron Pelletier >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:28 AM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out >> >> Neal, >> >> I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are >> impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't >> have time to properly check them. Having seen what has happened last >> year and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to >> put out the new product is more important than coming out with the >> right thing from the get go. They set themselves a deadline and go >> crazy trying to stick to it and the result is what we get. >> >> I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the >> problems and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, >> people seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is >> ready. When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the >> first to get the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about >> several dozen bugs. >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out >> >> Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that >> they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to >> pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on >> the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the >> testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of >> updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I >> guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests >> the updates they release. >> >> Neal >> >> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Hall >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out >> >> FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I >> imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the >> iPhone6. >> >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma <trea.a...@gmail.com >> <mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was >> able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is >> solved. >> >> *From:*Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com> >> >> *Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM >> >> *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> >> *Cc:*Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com> >> >> *Subject:*Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out >> >> However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that >> the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait! >> >> >> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >> Fielding >> >> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >> >> richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com> >> >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male >> <gailcrowe1...@gmail.com <mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes, It sure is! I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm >> downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to >> the list, but you beat me to it. 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