But, why but statements are offensive for you? This is an opinion of a member of the list, about IOs8, no about you. This member has enough reasons why is saying that IOs8 is what ever. But this member is talking about IOs8, not about you. Relax, and try to be on his shoes. Think for a few minutes, that apple products are very expensive, maybe so much expensive, and when you pay a lot of money, you expect high quality, and not what is happening with IOs8 with blind people, and sighted people. Or do you think that we are only who is calling apple with problems about IOs8. No, is not only the blind community who is calling apple. Apple is getting a very hard time with this IOs release.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver What a lot of people are objecting to is not your complaints about iOS8. I, for one, don't know any Apple employees or employers. But your blanket statement that iOS8 being total crap is both offensive and absolutely untrue. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fischler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do. On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie <[email protected]> wrote: > My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any > crashing problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S > doesn't announce who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, > my 4S, which doesn't have cell service but began ringing after this > update, does announce who's calling. So go figure! LOL > > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Pelletier" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM > Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with > VoiceOver > > > Sharonda, > > Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled > today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an > Apple product is really worth it. They seem to have completely abused > the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality > control which, in fact, is complete crap. As far as I am concerned, > the subjet line can stay there for a while > > Ron & Danvers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with > VoiceOver > > Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not > complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is > not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion. > > Sharonda > Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes > >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian >> for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s. >> >>> On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: >>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with >>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't >>> handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't >>> have supported it. >>> >>>> On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8. >>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. >>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. >>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die >>>> on me. >>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it >>>> crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced. >>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver >>>> >>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the >>>> case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap >>>> to toggle the voice on and off. >>>> >>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, >>>> try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me >>>> in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off >>>> and then back on as well. >>>> >>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver >>>> bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart >>>> phone technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. >>>> IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to >>>> making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated >>>> the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if >>>> we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off >>>> then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many >>>> people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit >>>> where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle >>>> Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be >>>> content with. >>>> >>>>> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >>>>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the >>>>> iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS >>>>> / VO to catch up. >>>>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. >>>>> Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a >>>>> year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. >>>>> Let's see what happens. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 >>>>>> as for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out >>>>>> while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification >>>>>> comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button >>>>>> and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is >>>>>> already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. >>>>>> Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to >>>>>> restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo >>>>>> being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. >>>>>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total >>>>>> crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. >>>>>> If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple >>>>>> can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as >>>>>> it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and >>>>>> VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at >>>>>> least listening to what Droid is doin >>>> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since >>>> the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this >>>> release and the >>>> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the >>>> answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>> viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by >>>>>> default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running >>>>>> of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is >>>>>> inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly >>>>>> rather than posting on the list itself. 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