I think it pretty much already settled down. Let's hope every one else
just uses the delete key and let's it die. Raul can't be monitoring the
list every minute of every day, so everyone needs to be responsible and
know when to let things go. Let me take my hat off to Sieghard who
handled this personal attack so well. I only hoep I'm as gracious as he
was when I get these attacks myself in the future.
BTW, this doesn't mean I agree with Sieghard and his views on Apple and
security. I think this argument that Apple is just doing everything it
can to make the device as secure as possible is a bit over stated.
Devices can be made secure without locking them down. Locking them down
is a cheap way to improve security. Apple also isn't a philanthropic
organization. They're a company out to make a profit in a capitalistic
market. IMHO, much of what gets attributed to them around security and
ensuring the best customer experience also has a healthy dose of self
interest and protecting their own products and revenue stream. I'm not
knocking Apple for doing this, but it isn't always driven by selfless
philanthropic motivations as some people seem to think.
On 10/27/2014 04:04 AM, RobH. wrote:
Ok ok, where's Raul and his admin hat at this point, which I reckon has gone
too far. On my back quick enough, for posting a thank you last time. So
why is this being allowed to degenerate to this level of heatied discussion,
that isn't any longer about our normal range of technical topics.
Enough have had a good say, it must be time to call a halt now?
RobH. :-(
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda Ingraham" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: third party keyboard
It's really too bad that your interpretation of the list rules somehow
affords you special permission to post such unkind remarks about Sieghard on
this or any list. There are polite ways to disagree with another list
members opinion without being snarky. I'm really not interested in your
pointless attacks on list members whose opinions differ from yours. If you
thought what you wrote about Sieghard made you look smart and oh so witty,
it really came across as very shallow and nasty.
I can't tell you the number of times Sieghard has sent me information off
list that has been accurate and very helpful. Additionally, I can't tell you
how many times he has offered to work with people off the list to solve
problems. Very important is, I have never seen someone write to the list and
say the information Sieghard provided was incorrect, created additional
problems, or just shut their device down.
Regards,
Lynda
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: third party keyboard
Sieghard ,
This is the reason I almost always delete your messages without reading
them.
You are full of misguided opinions and misinformation.
The running joke in my household is when voice over announces "Sieghard "
everyone here says 'Delete".
This is from the developers of Fleksy:
What about the Apple third-party keyboard warning message when allowing Full
Access?
When you allow full access, you will encounter a warning message stating
"full access allows the developer to transmit anything you type, including
things you have previously typed with this keyboard. This could include
sensitive information such as your credit card number or street address."
This alert appears whenever any third-party input method is allowed full
access. Fleksy is designed NOT to receive or log such sensitive data.
Here's how:
§ Fleksy can collect three types of data:
§ Crash Data, including crash logs, in an anonymous format.
§ Settings Data such as setting preferences, gesture usage, and number of
words typed with Fleksy.
§ Language Modeling Data such as common phrases or words that you use when
typing with Fleksy.
§ We never collect any type of data without your explicit permission.
§ Language Modeling Data collection is disabled by default for all our
products, and is not enabled during the installation process.
§ We do not log data entered into password or credit card fields.
§ When a user voluntarily opts in to supply Language Modeling Data to us,
we always encrypt it both for transmission and storage, and host it in third
party hosting facilities with industry leading security infrastructure.
§ We do NOT link any Language Modeling Data with your name, phone number,
email address, or any other personal identifier.
§ Language Modeling Data is only used in anonymous format to help improve
Fleksy's product and services. It is NOT sold, licensed or otherwise
provided to third parties.
You can read more about data collection and full access in our
<http://fleksy.com/privacy-ios> Privacy Policy.
Sieghard
On Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:55:01 PM UTC-7, Sieghard wrote:
Hi Chuck and others,
I don't know if you get the same warning when you install Fleksie, but on
the last Today in iOS episode, Rob mentioned that when you install some
third party keyboards a rather worrysome message is displayed. According to
this message, you give the developer of these keyboards "full access" to
anything that is typed on said keyboards and the warning for one popular
keyboard called "Swift Key" includes this:
"allows the developer of this keyboard to transmit anything you type..."
Interestingly enough the keyboards mentioned didn't even include Fleksie and
I wonder how popular Fleksie really is. Here is the link to another article
about this, but I certainly would not install a keyboard where I got such a
message. I have an iPhone because I like how secure it is so then why would
I allow some developer whom I don't know from a hole in the ground to have
access to everything I might type on their keyboard including potentially
credit card numbers and so on. I think maybe that is the reason why Apple
defaults to their system keyboard for passwords and so on.
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2014/09/ios-8-third-party-keyboards-full-access-privacy-concerns.html
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <javascript:> [mailto:[email protected]
<javascript:> ] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:20 AM
To: [email protected] <javascript:>
Subject: Re: third party keyboard
Fleksy will be a great keyboard, once they get the bugs out of IOS8. Here's
a link:Fleksy Keyboard - Custom Colors, Faster Typing by Fleksy, Inc.
https://appsto.re/us/ED7aF.i
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