Hi Charles and Pablo, I think Microsoft and Apple should hire you guys since you appear to have deep insight in how an OS should be developed and what features it should have. The point here is that companies don't always know how people will react to a product. Yes, you can do focus groups and surveys and yet something still might be a total bust. Windows 8 was released because Microsoft is trying to gap the bridge between their desktop OS and the mobile OS they use on their phones. Windows 10 will further complete this step and yes, they realized that especially businesses like the desktop although I have a lot of sighted friends who love Windows 8 and even more like 8.1 and the approach with metro apps and tiles and so on. In the end the consumers reaction drives innovation and what things will be like. In a small way this is no different in my retail store. You think it should be easy to bring in the products that are good and which people like and will buy. Unfortunately, however, I including my staff may think a certain product is totally cool and in the end nobody buys it. This is just human nature and organizations are made up of humans so mistakes are happen and will continue to happen. If Microsoft had said "Oh, Windows 7 is great, it doesn't get better than that so let's just leave it alone for the next 10 years" they would be out of business. Why are their product recalls on things which have been around for decades? Cars have been around for a hundred years and sometimes there are major recalls because of some faulty part which manufacturers should know how to get right, but it still happens. That's just how things are and as the Borg would say "resistance is futile" *smile*.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 That reminds me of when the "New Coke" came out, and then was done away with, and the renamed "Coke Classic" was, and still is, sold. Research and testing could have been done, and the whole situation would have been avoided. And whatever happened to Windows 9?? They're jumping from 8 point something or other to 10. With a grin of orneriness, I'll say that I'll bet 9.0 was accessible and it worked well, so they scrapped it. In jest, of course. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: RE: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8 changed manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good? No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8. Now what Microsoft won with windows 8? Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor. Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs? Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the customers pays those mistakes. And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked like in itunes 11 IMHO, the phrase "change for changes sake" is one of those worn out terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the changes they did? I also find it interesting how many people know more about software development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they have more people looking at software trends, studying the market, developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark. Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android. I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms like "change for changes sake" or "dumbing down the interface" are just parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application they're criticizing. On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: > To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable > that continues to withstand the test of time. Chess is a good example. > Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy > games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed > all that much. Why haven't they? Because the game works as it is > designed to. On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always > having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating > systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP. > However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less > dependable and accessible than before. > > --- > Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're > finished, you! really! are! finished! > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things > that worked like in itunes 11 > > Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works > perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the > product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs, > you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have > different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change > to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many > apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively > dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has > gone on to other things? > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com > <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>> wrote: > >> I totally agree. If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!! Adding new >> features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change >> the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what >> really works well. In my opinion, changing something just because >> you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or >> to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, you! really! are! finished! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Fanus <mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com> >> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM >> *Subject:* how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things >> that worked like in itunes 11 >> >> Hello list >> I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try >> to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no >> "sync" button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the >> list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why >> change something that works? >> Regards >> Fanus >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the >> viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated >> by default. 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