Yes, the changes Microsoft made in Windows 8 are good, necessary and made customers more efficient. Windows 8 was necessary for Microsoft to start selling their tablets. It also allowed the development of the convertible form factor which is a big advancement for people who want to seamlessly move from a tablet to a desktop.

Microsoft knows that to be successful in the future, they need to have a presence in the mobile space. Their strategy is to have a common operating system that runs on their smart phones, their tablets, their laptops and their desktops. This will help customers who can use their same device as a smart phone when on the go or a desktop system when they get to their home or office. It'll also result in huge savings for Microsoft as they will only have to support one operating system and kernel instead of multiple source code streams.

A lot is made about the name of Microsoft's next operating system. They could call it Windows 8.2, Windows 9 or Windows 10. It's all just marketing, and as with Vista versus Seven, just a way to get people comfortable with the changes and the new operating system.

I wonder how many people who trash Windows 8 ever actually used it. It's pretty trivial to make the desktop have the same look and feel as Windows 7 if you want. It also supports the touch screen and the tablet form factor. My wife, who's sighted, finds touching the screen when she wants to activate something easier and more intuitive then using the mouse, at least for some activities. It's not perfect, but I think it's a step in the right direction, and I for one, hope Microsoft and Canonical are successful in coming up with a user interface that stretches from the smart phone to the desktop.

On 11/09/2014 01:27 PM, Pablo Morales wrote:
Yes, I believe the same thing. The most part of changes that those companies 
are doing, ar only to sale the idea that the company is doing something for 
their customers. Windows 8 is a great example of this. Windows 8  changed  
manythings. Now, those changes are needed? Those changes improved the 
efeciency? Those changes helped the customers? Those changes are really good?
No, obviously nno. Because of that windows 10 is coming, and this new OS is 
going to looks like windows 7, more than to windows 8.
Now what Microsoft won with windows 8?
Billions of dollars. The companies like intel, AMD, DELL, and a long etc sold 
millions of computers when windows 8 appeared. IOs8 is the same thing. The 
improvements are there, but the quality of the OS is very poor.
Oh, that with the releases they are fixing bugs?
Yes, it is true, but apple should not make mistakes with problems like wifi 
connections, when they have a long experience with this kind of problems. Every 
IOs looks like they are not learning of their previous mistakes. Every release 
shows that they didn't learn of their previous mistakes with voice over. The 
problem is not that apple, or Microsoft does mistakes. The problem is that the 
customers pays those mistakes.
And is worse when the customers is happy paying for those mistakes.

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things that worked 
like in itunes 11

IMHO, the phrase "change for changes sake" is one of those worn out
terms that people trot out when they don't like some change or don't
take the time to understand it. How many people who have used this term
with respect to iTunes 12 have Googled to find out why Apple made the
changes they did?

I also find it interesting how many people know more about software
development and marketing than Apple and Microsoft do. I can assure you
that these companies aren't making these changes just to keep their
developers busy and put out changes just to trick the customers into
thinking they're doing something and adding value. I'm also sure they
have more people looking at software trends, studying the market,
developing new technologies and doing product planning than all of the
amateur marketeers on this list. Furthermore, the future of these
companies depend on this forward thinking, whereas none of us on this
list have anything to lose if our opinions are off the mark.

Sure there are people out there who liked Windows XP and wish Microsoft
had never changed, but these people would be happy only until Microsoft
went out of business for not being able to remain competitive and then
they were forced to move to something else. I was a happy Symbian user
on Nokia, but I had to switch when that platform was dropped because it
was no longer competitive with IOS and Android. I'm also sure there are
or were some happy Blackberry users out there who've had to or will have
to find a new home. Sure there are some things I miss about Symbian, but
I wouldn't go back now that I've used both IOS and Android.

I also just haven't found some of these changes to be as significant as
some people would make you think. I didn't even realize I'd updated to
iTunes 12 until I saw the discussions on this list. I was still able to
backup my iPhone and install IOS 8.. I even reset my iPhone back to the
factory settings, restored everything and resynced all of my music and
apps with iTunes 12. Ditto for Windows. I've always been surprised how
much Vista, Seven and now Eight, look like XP after hearing all of the
gnashing of teeth over how much has changed. Sure there's been a
learning curve, but I've never had any trouble figuring out how to do
what I needed to do. Makes me wonder how many people use these terms
like "change for changes sake" or "dumbing down the interface" are just
parroting what they've heard or have actually even tried the application
they're criticizing.

On 11/08/2014 10:49 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
To remain competitive, I would stay with something dependable and stable
that continues to withstand the test of time.  Chess is a good example.
Even after a few thousand years, it's still one of the best strategy
games for two players, and the rules of the game haven't been changed
all that much.  Why haven't they?  Because the game works as it is
designed to.  On the other hand, companies like Microsoft are always
having issues with their new fangled, newly designed, current operating
systems when they had a perfectly good system, namely Windows XP.
However, they would rather stay current and innovative, as well as less
dependable and accessible than before.

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     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
     *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
     *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:29 PM
     *Subject:* Re: how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things
     that worked like in itunes 11

     Interestingly, you only feel this way when the product works
     perfectly for your specific needs. On the other hand, even when the
     product meets other people's needs, but it doesn't meet your needs,
     you want the product to be changed. The fact is, other people have
     different needs, and to remain competitiv:, companies need to change
     to remain viable, competitiv:, and alive. Think about it, how many
     apps on the app store have not been upgraded and are now effectively
     dead? How many apps are no longer available because the creator has
     gone on to other things?

     David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
     Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
     Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
     Sent from my iPhone

     On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:28, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com
     <mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com>> wrote:

     I totally agree.  If it ain't broke, quit fixing it!!  Adding new
     features is OK, but don't remove what works well, and don't change
     the layout so drastically that it doesn't even resemble what
     really works well.  In my opinion, changing something just because
     you feel that it is time to do so, whether it be to antiquity or
     to appear to stay current, makes no sense to me at all.

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         *From:* Fanus <mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>
         *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
         *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 10:47 AM
         *Subject:* how to sync apps with iTunes 12: why change things
         that worked like in itunes 11

         Hello list
         I wonder why companies always change stuff that worked. I try
         to transfer apps to my iPhone with iTunes 12 but there is no
         "sync" button and I can't check and uncheck the apps in the
         list. ITunes 11 worked so well, so I am always wondering why
         change something that works?
         Regards
         Fanus

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