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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Gallik" <wfgal...@charter.net>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
I for one, will not ever install any future versions of X.0 where "X" might
be "9," "10," "11" or whatever future version releases may be forthcoming
until most accessibility bugs are resolved -- I hope to live long enough to
see iOS 40.???!
The disruptions I experienced in moving from 7.1.2 to 8.0 and beyond has
been quite frustrating. Prudence dictates that I (and other blind
individuals) take a much more cautious approach in upgrading to new iOS
versions and I would advise all here to exercise such caution.
That said, I still prefer Apple's business model over that of competing
technology platforms. I for one am quite tired of the exorbitant fees to
maintain software licenses to permit me to use a technology framework that
seemingly completely disregards the customer investment - yes indeed, I am
referring to the cavalier attitude Windows manifests and the charges to
retain JAWS. I do agree with Pablo that Apple sorely dropped the
accessibility ball in the case of the 8.0 version release; but unlike Pablo
I'm confident that Apple is striving to "make it right." I intend to buy a
Mac very soon and bid a fond farewell to Microsoft and Freedom Scientific
because, if my iPhone experience is any indication, Apple does care about
protecting their customers' investments.
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- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Raul.
In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the
messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for apple.
Are you owner of apple?
No, right?
Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the
accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this email
list. What is your problem?
That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great?
No, it is not great, and you know that.
That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices, not
allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is not
fair, is not good?
Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true.
That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8 had,
and after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people
saying that IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks like
he works with this matter, and has knowledge.
What is your problem if after read the post in the list, and after see that
I wasn't able to do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of IOs
7.1.2 that I had installed, I feel me frustrated?
This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who is
happy with apple?
No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk about
accessibility in apple devices, right?
Talk about accessibility is everything, good and bad things.
You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government,
talking very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you lose
your job, and you don't receive any support from any authority. Because of
that I left my country, and now I am living in a great country, with
freedom.
Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want.
I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple, and I
got the freedom to say that I am getting a lot of problems with the IOs,
and also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is handling the
Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting you or
any body here, aas other members of the list has done against me before.
And by the way, you didn't do anything about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Pablo. Every release you go on and on about the same sob story. I'm seriusly
thinking of revoking your posting privileges on this list if this keeps up.
On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, I know that I can not go back to IOs 7.1.2, and either, I couldn't
restore my iPhone with IOs 7.1.2 installed in my phone, because IOs8
7.1.2 is not signed for apple. It means that mandatory I have to install
IOs 8, liking or doesn't liking, I have to.
But I don't understand why, the people is still buying this kind of
treatment from apple. It is ridiculos, every release, apple make this kind
of problems with the BT keyboards, but they don't learn of their previous
mistakes, again, they do the same mistakes, and again, the same mistakes.
a Again, it was my last apple device.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Then you should have stayed with iOS 7.1.2, the issues with bluetooth
keyboards and braille displays have been well documented. And in case you
wonder, no, you can't go back to iOS 7.1.2 any more.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Sieghard.
Well, I have been using Bluetooth keyboard since my first iphone 4, years
ago. The problem is that if I am using the Bluetooth keyboard, some times
the keyboard stop responding. I turn it off, but the virtual keyboard
doesn't appear, so I turn on the BT, and is no way to make it to type, or
to make the iPhone respond. So I have to close what ever I was doing, and
try again. Other times, if my iPhone gets the lock screen, and I try to
deactivate the lock screen using my BT, it just doesn't respond, but it
doesn't happen always, it happen some times.
Other times, if I am trying to type the info in several text boxes, with
the bt is no way to jump and type several text boxes. I type in the first
a few boxes, but later the bt keyboard stop working.
It is very bad, because my bt was working perfectly in IOs7.1.2.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Pablo,
I don't use a bluetooth keyboard a lot, but I think most of the problems
were fixed. Anyhow, it's not like you didn't know what you were getting
into, especially the issue with bluetooth keyboards and braille devices
has been discussed exhaustively. It might help if you more specifically
explain what exactly your problems are. I do assume you know that you have
to turn quick nav off in order to enter text?
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Sieghard
Yes, I guess that apple did so. I am getting a lot of problems with the
Bluetooth keyboard, and I need to use the Bluetooth keyboard, a lot!
I am noticing a little bit slow my phone, I am not talking about how voice
over works, I am talking about how my iPhone respond to the events.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
The 2-finger double tap works I would say 90% or so of the time. Every now
and then it will start playing whatever audio I was last listening to,
usually Audible, instead of answering the call. In that case I just
2-finger double tap again to stop the audio and then double tap the accept
button to answer the call. Like I said, it happens rarely, but it still
does happen from time to time.
Pablo, I hope Apple put a few extra bugs into your copy of iOS 8.1.1 just
because we all love to hear you complain *smile*.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
I can double tap to answer all calls.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:51 PM
To: viphone
Subject: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi all.
Well, I love to make troubles, and because of that, I tried IOs 8.1.1, to
see what I can say about this release.
Well guys, I thought that it will be so bad, but, no. IOs 8.1.1 is not too
bad, I just found a few instability some times, and the most bugs that IOs
8.1 had are fixed. Just right now I am missing answering phone calls with
2 fingers, double tab, but I see that we have to do a double tab on th
accept button. Any how, IOs 8.1.1 is not so bad, and I am starting to be
exploring this IOs.
Just be ready guys, because I will be making complain about it soon.
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