Ha ha ha! Very well put Charles, pioneers are indeed usually the first
to encounter arrows!
That is funny -- methinks I'll save this for future correspondence (on
other lists of course)!
----
Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off
their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard"
<wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: to update or not - Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with
IOs 8.1.1
Pioneers are usually the first to encounter arrows. Always, when a new
operating system is introduced, keep this in mind.
---
Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished,
you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gallik" <wfgal...@charter.net>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
I for one, will not ever install any future versions of X.0 where "X"
might
be "9," "10," "11" or whatever future version releases may be
forthcoming
until most accessibility bugs are resolved -- I hope to live long
enough to
see iOS 40.???!
The disruptions I experienced in moving from 7.1.2 to 8.0 and beyond
has
been quite frustrating. Prudence dictates that I (and other blind
individuals) take a much more cautious approach in upgrading to new iOS
versions and I would advise all here to exercise such caution.
That said, I still prefer Apple's business model over that of competing
technology platforms. I for one am quite tired of the exorbitant fees
to
maintain software licenses to permit me to use a technology framework
that
seemingly completely disregards the customer investment - yes indeed,
I am
referring to the cavalier attitude Windows manifests and the charges to
retain JAWS. I do agree with Pablo that Apple sorely dropped the
accessibility ball in the case of the 8.0 version release; but unlike
Pablo
I'm confident that Apple is striving to "make it right." I intend to
buy a
Mac very soon and bid a fond farewell to Microsoft and Freedom
Scientific
because, if my iPhone experience is any indication, Apple does care
about
protecting their customers' investments.
----
Holland's Boy, Bill
- "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off
their
guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
- US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales"
<pablomorale...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Raul.
In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the
messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for
apple.
Are you owner of apple?
No, right?
Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the
accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this
email
list. What is your problem?
That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great?
No, it is not great, and you know that.
That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices,
not
allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is
not
fair, is not good?
Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true.
That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8
had,
and after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people
saying that IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks
like
he works with this matter, and has knowledge.
What is your problem if after read the post in the list, and after see
that
I wasn't able to do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of
IOs
7.1.2 that I had installed, I feel me frustrated?
This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who
is
happy with apple?
No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk
about
accessibility in apple devices, right?
Talk about accessibility is everything, good and bad things.
You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government,
talking very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you
lose
your job, and you don't receive any support from any authority.
Because of
that I left my country, and now I am living in a great country, with
freedom.
Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want.
I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple,
and I
got the freedom to say that I am getting a lot of problems with the
IOs,
and also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is
handling
the
Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting
you or
any body here, aas other members of the list has done against me
before.
And by the way, you didn't do anything about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Pablo. Every release you go on and on about the same sob story. I'm
seriusly
thinking of revoking your posting privileges on this list if this
keeps up.
On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, I know that I can not go back to IOs 7.1.2, and either, I
couldn't restore my iPhone with IOs 7.1.2 installed in my phone,
because IOs8 7.1.2 is not signed for apple. It means that mandatory I
have to install IOs 8, liking or doesn't liking, I have to.
But I don't understand why, the people is still buying this kind of
treatment from apple. It is ridiculos, every release, apple make this
kind of problems with the BT keyboards, but they don't learn of their
previous mistakes, again, they do the same mistakes, and again, the
same mistakes. a Again, it was my last apple device.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Then you should have stayed with iOS 7.1.2, the issues with bluetooth
keyboards and braille displays have been well documented. And in case
you wonder, no, you can't go back to iOS 7.1.2 any more.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Sieghard.
Well, I have been using Bluetooth keyboard since my first iphone 4,
years ago. The problem is that if I am using the Bluetooth keyboard,
some times the keyboard stop responding. I turn it off, but the
virtual keyboard doesn't appear, so I turn on the BT, and is no way
to make it to type, or to make the iPhone respond. So I have to close
what ever I was doing, and try again. Other times, if my iPhone gets
the lock screen, and I try to deactivate the lock screen using my BT,
it just doesn't respond, but it doesn't happen always, it happen some
times.
Other times, if I am trying to type the info in several text boxes,
with the bt is no way to jump and type several text boxes. I type in
the first a few boxes, but later the bt keyboard stop working.
It is very bad, because my bt was working perfectly in IOs7.1.2.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Pablo,
I don't use a bluetooth keyboard a lot, but I think most of the
problems were fixed. Anyhow, it's not like you didn't know what you
were getting into, especially the issue with bluetooth keyboards and
braille devices has been discussed exhaustively. It might help if you
more specifically explain what exactly your problems are. I do assume
you know that you have to turn quick nav off in order to enter text?
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi Sieghard
Yes, I guess that apple did so. I am getting a lot of problems with
the Bluetooth keyboard, and I need to use the Bluetooth keyboard, a
lot!
I am noticing a little bit slow my phone, I am not talking about how
voice over works, I am talking about how my iPhone respond to the
events.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
The 2-finger double tap works I would say 90% or so of the time. Every
now and then it will start playing whatever audio I was last listening
to, usually Audible, instead of answering the call. In that case I
just 2-finger double tap again to stop the audio and then double tap
the accept button to answer the call. Like I said, it happens rarely,
but it still does happen from time to time.
Pablo, I hope Apple put a few extra bugs into your copy of iOS 8.1.1
just because we all love to hear you complain *smile*.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1
I can double tap to answer all calls.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:51 PM
To: viphone
Subject: starting with IOs 8.1.1
Hi all.
Well, I love to make troubles, and because of that, I tried IOs 8.1.1,
to see what I can say about this release.
Well guys, I thought that it will be so bad, but, no. IOs 8.1.1 is not
too bad, I just found a few instability some times, and the most bugs
that IOs 8.1 had are fixed. Just right now I am missing answering
phone calls with 2 fingers, double tab, but I see that we have to do a
double tab on th accept button. Any how, IOs 8.1.1 is not so bad, and
I am starting to be exploring this IOs.
Just be ready guys, because I will be making complain about it soon.
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