Ok, so now we have it taped, only upgrade at least 6 months down the line for any new version.
Some only ever do that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 2:24 AM Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 I have been using this iPhone 5s, for the last year. Using 7.1.2 since march of this year. Of course, I had bunches of problems when IOs 7.0 was release. But since march, my phone has been working perfectly until now. Maybe in march 2015, I will get my iPhone working fine again. But will be again, 6 months of problems, and 6 months of good use of my iPhone. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 I have not been following your iPhone problems, so please answer one question for me. Did you ever exchange your phone for another unit or is this the same phone which has been giving you problems? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:50 PM Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 Raul, I don't want to be arguing with you , really it is not helpful for the list. But I have to clarify that my porpoise is , advice and help everybody, even me. I don't know if you remember, since I started writing emails to the list, regarding IOs problems, that I have been saying, that if we are customers of apple, we should push apple to do a better job. It is my porpoise. If we stay quiet, apple will not improve the quality of IOs. Do you Remember IOs 6?, it had some bugs, remember Ios 7? It had more bugs than IOs 6, and look IOs 8, the worse IOs that the customers has seen. Looks like every year the quality is lower, and lower, and lower. Why is it happening? Easy, because apple is not feeling that they need to improve the IOs quality. A few days I read on the list, someone saying that apple is doing a good job, because in a few weeks, they have release 2 updates of IOs 8. I don't see this issue on the same way. If they have to fix things, it is because there were things to be fix. Again Raul, if we always are happy with whatever apple is doing, always they will decrease the quality. My advice to everybody, is write to apple, call them, make a lot of noise, then they will take care about what are the problems of their customers, but been good boys, quiet, they will not feel the need to improve anything. I hope that you see now what is my porpoise writing not positive messages. Pablo tired of IOs bugs. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 I think he means, he usually means:- if it's not advice that is useful or helps someone, then it serves no real purpose on the list. There have been timely warnings about bugs to save a few falling over them, that at least was useful. He encourages us to ask ourselves - does this add to the knowledge presented so far. I think that about summarises it, hope I don't go getting flack for saying so. Rh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 Hi Raul. In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for apple. Are you owner of apple? No, right? Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this email list. What is your problem? That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great? No, it is not great, and you know that. That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices, not allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is not fair, is not good? Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true. That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8 had, and after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people saying that IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks like he works with this matter, and has knowledge. What is your problem if after read the post in the list, and after see that I wasn't able to do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of IOs 7.1.2 that I had installed, I feel me frustrated? This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who is happy with apple? No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk about accessibility in apple devices, right? Talk about accessibility is everything, good and bad things. You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government, talking very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you lose your job, and you don't receive any support from any authority. Because of that I left my country, and now I am living in a great country, with freedom. Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want. I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple, and I got the freedom to say that I am getting a lot of problems with the IOs, and also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is handling the Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting you or any body here, aas other members of the list has done against me before. And by the way, you didn't do anything about it. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 Pablo. Every release you go on and on about the same sob story. I'm seriusly thinking of revoking your posting privileges on this list if this keeps up. > On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes, I know that I can not go back to IOs 7.1.2, and either, I couldn't > restore my iPhone with IOs 7.1.2 installed in my phone, because IOs8 > 7.1.2 is not signed for apple. It means that mandatory I have to install > IOs 8, liking or doesn't liking, I have to. > But I don't understand why, the people is still buying this kind of > treatment from apple. It is ridiculos, every release, apple make this kind > of problems with the BT keyboards, but they don't learn of their previous > mistakes, again, they do the same mistakes, and again, the same mistakes. > a Again, it was my last apple device. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > Then you should have stayed with iOS 7.1.2, the issues with bluetooth > keyboards and braille displays have been well documented. And in case you > wonder, no, you can't go back to iOS 7.1.2 any more. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > Hi Sieghard. > Well, I have been using Bluetooth keyboard since my first iphone 4, years > ago. The problem is that if I am using the Bluetooth keyboard, some times > the keyboard stop responding. I turn it off, but the virtual keyboard > doesn't appear, so I turn on the BT, and is no way to make it to type, or > to make the iPhone respond. So I have to close what ever I was doing, and > try again. Other times, if my iPhone gets the lock screen, and I try to > deactivate the lock screen using my BT, it just doesn't respond, but it > doesn't happen always, it happen some times. > Other times, if I am trying to type the info in several text boxes, with > the bt is no way to jump and type several text boxes. I type in the first > a few boxes, but later the bt keyboard stop working. > It is very bad, because my bt was working perfectly in IOs7.1.2. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:58 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > Hi Pablo, > > I don't use a bluetooth keyboard a lot, but I think most of the problems > were fixed. Anyhow, it's not like you didn't know what you were getting > into, especially the issue with bluetooth keyboards and braille devices > has been discussed exhaustively. It might help if you more specifically > explain what exactly your problems are. I do assume you know that you have > to turn quick nav off in order to enter text? > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > Hi Sieghard > Yes, I guess that apple did so. I am getting a lot of problems with the > Bluetooth keyboard, and I need to use the Bluetooth keyboard, a lot! > I am noticing a little bit slow my phone, I am not talking about how voice > over works, I am talking about how my iPhone respond to the events. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > The 2-finger double tap works I would say 90% or so of the time. Every now > and then it will start playing whatever audio I was last listening to, > usually Audible, instead of answering the call. In that case I just > 2-finger double tap again to stop the audio and then double tap the accept > button to answer the call. Like I said, it happens rarely, but it still > does happen from time to time. > > Pablo, I hope Apple put a few extra bugs into your copy of iOS 8.1.1 just > because we all love to hear you complain *smile*. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Neal Ewers > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > I can double tap to answer all calls. > > Neal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pablo Morales > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:51 PM > To: viphone > Subject: starting with IOs 8.1.1 > > Hi all. > Well, I love to make troubles, and because of that, I tried IOs 8.1.1, to > see what I can say about this release. > Well guys, I thought that it will be so bad, but, no. 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