I was just thinking that even when a moderator asks a topic to stop, there are 
going to be a few messages from people who didn't read it by the time they had 
already responded. That's normal and to be expected. However when some of you 
continue writing on a closed thread even though you obviously know you shouldnt 
shows an utter lack of respect. At this point I'm ready to start revoking 
posting by some list members.

Thanks much


> On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
> 
> Who is Karen?
> 
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> you! really! are! finished!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Hudson" <jhud7...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to 
> lack of money somebody gift me please!
> 
> 
> Hi Karen, if you and your co-owner ever need any assistance during holidays 
> or Times that you are busy y'all can always feel free to asked somebody like 
> myself off list to do this as I would not mind hoping out in any way that I 
> possibly can. Thank you very much for stopping the thread and you have a 
> wonderful rest of your holiday.
>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 3:20 AM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Firstly, happy holidays to those who celebrate various end-of-year holidays 
>> and joy also to those who do not. You all rock! :)
>> 
>> Now, you all sure love drama here! :) -And, for the record, I am posting on 
>> this now as there is a bit of an outcry from several here for moderation. 
>> I've been away from the list today so have not seen all this until now. I 
>> will write a more appropriate and more complete and descriptive note quite 
>> honestly, when I am actually awake. :)
>> 
>> I find it interesting that pretty much everyone knows this thread should end 
>> but in fact, no one is simply not posting to it anymore. You all have the 
>> power to end this topic yourselves. -Yes? I get it. You want to chime in 
>> about something that is important to you. We all do from time to time. :)
>> 
>> However, if you desire silence, then be silent. If you desire respect, be 
>> respectful.
>> 
>> If you need an official directive, then please all, close this topic 
>> immediately.
>> 
>> Raul and I will deal with whatever aspects of this whole matter there are, 
>> which need to be dealt with.
>> 
>> Please just bear with us a bit and be kind / respectful to each other *big 
>> smile*
>> 
>> Talk with you soon and apologies for the list clutter.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
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>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the mods should really take some action against such behaviour. It 
>> is a spam for the list. Joke from a friend of a member, who manage to log in 
>> as the member, and manage to post such thing to an email list is rather, 
>> unacceptable.
>> Is like, i took my mum's credit card, and wne to get myself a new iphone, 
>> then, i try to explain to the bank that, "oops, sorry, it is just meant to 
>> be a joke for my mum"...
>> I think, such behaviour should be condam by the moderators, either looking 
>> at, temporary ban or even permernant ban.
>> If, no action taken for such individual, how can we make sure than, members 
>> on this list will treat each other with respect?
>> We are not talking about $0.99C worth of gift, we are talking about 
>> potentially $99.95 worth of gift that, what, coming out as a "oops, sorry, 
>> just a joke, for the spirit of the season, forgive me"?
>> 
>> It is not a matter of either other people see the need of such individual, 
>> and willing to give it or not, it is the matter of, this particular 
>> individual is fooling us around, and being somewhat disrespectful to the 
>> guidelines, objectives, and to other members that is on the list, not to say 
>> it is somewhat disrespectful to the list owners and moderators.
>> i think, in some sense, it might even consider as  a criminal act.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joanne Chua
>> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
>> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
>> Send from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2014, at 17:41, Eileen Misrahi <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joke or no joke, where are the
>>> monitors of this group? For a member of this list serve to post a prank 
>>> should be band from the list. There have been many posts on this thread 
>>> that are beginning to clutter up my inbox. This thread needs to be closed. 
>>> I know I'm not a monitor or the list owner, but enough is enough with this. 
>>> If the monitors want to place me on monitor status for voicing my opinion, 
>>> then go right ahead. The members of this list shouldn't have to put up with 
>>> this kind of warped sense of humor. JMO.
>>> 
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More likely he didn't realise the dust up his post would cause and how 
>>>> poorly it would be received. Whether a friend did indeed do it, which I 
>>>> don’t' really believe at all, hopefully this whole thread will go away now.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Kerri G
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:43 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money somebody 
>>>> gift me please!
>>>> 
>>>> I cannot believe this. Someone was willing to send you money for this and 
>>>> it’s a joke?
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 9:40 PM, ram kalia <rameshkalia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> sorry friends don't fight  my friend screwd  all  I already scolded
>>>>> him please understand the mind of college teenager   being adults you
>>>>> all please ignore and enjoy  don't fight for any unintentionally done
>>>>> mistake he is also feeling sorry for this . do forgive him and merry
>>>>> xmas and happy new year to all .
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/26/14, ram kalia <rameshkalia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> hello friends sorry for the inconvience caused actually my friend
>>>>>> wrote this message  using my id he was joking and nothing at all  I
>>>>>> kicked  him  he was just playing and nothing serious at all  just
>>>>>> holidays funny activity sorry ignore this and  happy xmas and new
>>>>>> year to all take it in a good sense and ignore love you all.  I have
>>>>>> knfb already  sorry for my friends behavior .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/26/14, Kerri G <kerri.g1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I would like to ask you, what do you entitle “bashers and flamers'
>>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Victor Gouveia
>>>>>>>> <victor.gouv...@rogers.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think that this matter would be best dealt with by a moderator.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So far I've seen nothing but bashers and flamers flaming this
>>>>>>>> person, and while whether his request was appropriate on this list
>>>>>>>> or not, I am sad to say that the bashers and flamers will not be
>>>>>>>> dealt with at all, and that is very sad indeed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is Christmas, for those who celebrate it, yet people are
>>>>>>>> giving this person all kinds of grief for posting something that
>>>>>>>> may or may not have been appropriate.  None of us lowly list
>>>>>>>> members have the power to say, unequivocally whether this person's
>>>>>>>> post was appropriate or not, so I think this thread should end
>>>>>>>> until the moderators get back and handle it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Either way, I believe it's a shame to have to come to my e-mail,
>>>>>>>> and see nothing but hatred being spewed on a list that is there for
>>>>>>>> the sole purpose of helping others out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas, or what ever other holiday you happen to celebrate
>>>>>>>> at this time of year, I'm sure you're making your religion very proud.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Victor Gouveia
>>>>>>>> Vice-President
>>>>>>>> Training Coordinator
>>>>>>>> VIP Tech
>>>>>>>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661
>>>>>>>> Fax: 1-888-640-6669
>>>>>>>> Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
>>>>>>>> Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
>>>>>>>> Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Terrie Terlau
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:50 PM
>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money
>>>>>>>> somebody gift me please!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> I am not a moderator and I apologize if I am stepping over a line,
>>>>>>>> but I don't  think I am, and I need to share this. We have had some
>>>>>>>> fairly harsh things to say about ram's request. I totally agree
>>>>>>>> that it is not OK to ask for a gift like the KNFB Reader from this
>>>>>>>> list. However, let's step outside of our own United States shoes
>>>>>>>> and into someone else's for a moment. From the name and the English
>>>>>>>> usage, I am guessing that Ram may not be a native English speaker
>>>>>>>> and may be from another country and another culture where asking
>>>>>>>> for gifts from strangers may not have the bad connotations that it
>>>>>>>> does in the States. Also, in the States, we have a 60-75%
>>>>>>>> unemployment rate among blind people, depending on how you figure
>>>>>>>> the stats. We know that we have many blind people who have not had
>>>>>>>> the opportunities to learn independence, self-sufficiency, and the
>>>>>>>> skill set that makes them empowered in this world. Given all that,
>>>>>>>> I would like to explain to Ram that I understand his/her need for
>>>>>>>> the KNFB Reader, but that we can't give it to him/her and that it is 
>>>>>>>> not a good idea to ask.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would also like to explain that I feel very sad that Ram and many
>>>>>>>> of us, blind and sighted, don't  have what we need in this world. I
>>>>>>>> send compassion and hope that Ram can find resources to get what is
>>>>>>>> needed. I also hope that we as a list change our tone of responses.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope the above is not out of line. I deeply appreciate this list
>>>>>>>> and the info and help that you share. I have learned so much and
>>>>>>>> have felt such a part of a supportive community. Please let's think
>>>>>>>> about saying no in a more compassionate way.
>>>>>>>> Many blessings to members of all religions and to persons with
>>>>>>>> varying perspectives, Terrie Terlau
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of ram kalia
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:50 AM
>>>>>>>> To: viphone
>>>>>>>> Subject: unable to purchase knfb reader due to lack of money
>>>>>>>> somebody gift me please!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello friends  i really dam love this product knfb but unable to
>>>>>>>> purchase the same due to lack of money is there a way  to get it as a
>>>>>>>> gift or free i really need this    pleasepleaseplease  somebody gift
>>>>>>>> it on this xmas or as a new year gift
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