You are using logic. That may not apply here.

Ed Martin 
Aultman Health Foundation
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>> From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Behalf Of Michael Short
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:59 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: end of VSAM product on VM?
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>> I would make two assumptions:
>> 
>> 1)    Most of the shops that run LINUX on 9672 and Z hardware, do it
>> under
>> VM instead of LPARS, even with the larger number of LPARs available.
>> 
>> 2)    Shops which don't run LINUX still contribute significantly to
the
>> VM
>> revenue stream.
>> 
>> If shops in point 2 go away then shops in point 1 are either going to
>> have
>> pay more, IBM is going to have do with less VM revenue, or support
cost
>> are
>> going to have to be cut to keep a positive revenue stream.
>> 
>> So unless product costs are really high for what in many cases are
>> stabilized products, why would IBM want to alienate the traditional
VM
>> customer and upset the VM community as a whole?
>> 
>> Mike
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>> We use both Connect:Direct (NDM) from Sterling Commerce and
Netview/VM
>> from IBM. We used to have some users with roll-your-own VSAM database
but
>> don't know if we still do. We are researching further.
>> 
>> Connect:Direct is our strategic data mover product -- the other
>> alternative I know of in VM is FTP which violates our security
standards,
>> because you have to hard-code the passwords.
>> 
>> I sadly fear that this may the domino that causes the whole string to
>> fall. Removing VSA/VSAM kills Netview and Connect-Direct which kills
...
>> etc.
>> 
>> I realize the future of VM is Linux -- but does IBM really want to
burn
>> their bridges behind them like this?. We still use VM/CMS -- mostly
for
>> applications and web servers -- not for end user computing. Surely we
>> aren't the only such shop? How much revenue will IBM lose if everyone
>> rushes out and gets rid of VM/CMS?
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