I am by no means an expert on who offers what and at what price. Just sharing my experience as a consultant who helps carriers get their networks turned up. If you have a list of smaller SS7 providers that are not re-sellers of the big ones I would love to get a list from you! Having as many options to give out as possible is always a good thing! Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting [email protected] Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-1111
> On April 24, 2016 at 7:43 AM Jay Patel <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is not 100% accurate, there are other small STP operators who can offer > you cheaper option ( < $500/month price point) for Sigtran connectivity. Feel > free to contact me off list. > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Mary Lou Carey <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > There are really only two large companies that will do SS7 via > > > SigTran and they are Syniverse and Neustar (formerly TNSi / Verisign / > > > Illuminet), They don't really like to give out their pricing publicly > > > so you have to sign an NDA to get it, but I would budget about $1,000 > > > per month to be safe. You pay for each ISUP route as well so that price > > > depends on how many routes you have. > > > > Are you asking which carriers provide SS7 links or which ones will do the > > host switch product? > > > > Mary Lou Carey > > BackUP Telecom Consulting > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Office: 615-791-9969 > > Cell: 615-796-1111 > > > > > > > > > On April 23, 2016 at 1:21 PM Erik Flournoy <[email protected] > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey since we're on this topic what's the average cost for SigTran and > > > who would you guys recommend? Who actually has SS7 and would be interested > > > in interconnecting. > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2016 7:21 AM, "Kidd Filby" <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY!!!! > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Hiers, David <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People tend forget the existence and benefit of physical and > > > > > administrative security controls until they disable them. Sure, they > > > > > are an expensive speedbump at times, but you can’t hack what you can’t > > > > > touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: VoiceOps [mailto:[email protected] > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Mike Ray, MBA, > > > > > CNE, CTE > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:28 > > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that this SS7 vulnerability issue is just the > > > > > latest result of all of the de-regulation that’s been going on for the > > > > > past… two decades or so. There was a time that you could not buy > > > > > commercial access to the SS7 network; to get that access you had to be > > > > > a real carrier. Also, back at that time, inter-company SS7 signalling > > > > > could only occur on established, ordered signaling routes where both > > > > > parties placed an order to open the route between them. Therefore, > > > > > this would not have been possible back then because the carrier would > > > > > not have ordered a route to the hacker’s point code(s) and it > > > > > therefore would not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am a US local carrier in 2001, I have no need to order a > > > > > signaling route to a German carrier either so even the hacker having > > > > > full access to a German carrier’s network would not compromise my > > > > > network. (in response to the nation-state issue) To get a call to > > > > > Germany, I signal to the access tandem or IXC switch I’ve chosen to > > > > > interconnect with in the US and that switch signals upstream, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we were not on this path of de-regulation where whatever > > > > > makes commercial sense for one company can open up the whole SS7 > > > > > network to un-trusted parties, we likely wouldn’t be here. At some > > > > > point, a decision was made somewhere to allow this loosy-goosy > > > > > inter-company signaling over the SS7 network between two point codes > > > > > that would not, under the original implementation of SS7, be able to > > > > > talk to each other in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the drumbeat of “solve everything with IP!” continues, I > > > > > hope that at least it gets solved by establishing something close to > > > > > what the VPF was supposed to be, and not just a general dumping of all > > > > > voice traffic across the internet between carriers. That certainly > > > > > wouldn’t bode well for reliability or security. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Ray, MBA, CNE, CTE > > > > > > > > > > Astro Companies, LLC > > > > > > > > > > 11523 Palm Brush Trail #401 > > > > > > > > > > Lakewood Ranch, FL 34202 > > > > > > > > > > DIRECT: call or text 941 600-0207 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrocompanies.com > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.astrocompanies.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=3qAav7xK7z7Y9z78Wz6C13xGAsE6OybjLD3yoSCDCMw&e=> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: VoiceOps [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > > > Behalf Of Dan York > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:45 PM > > > > > To: Kidd Filby <[email protected] > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] SS7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is generally true if the calls are *unencrypted* on > > > > > VoIP... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Kidd Filby > > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also folks, don't forget, the same outcome of recording > > > > > > someone's call is MUCH easier to accomplish once it is VoIP. IMHO, > > > > > > of course. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... BUT... what's fascinating is the recent rise in end-to-end > > > > > (e2e) encryption among IP-based communications platforms that include > > > > > voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WhatsApp, for instance, just completed the rollout of e2e > > > > > encryption on April 5, and not just for messaging, but also for voice > > > > > and video calls as well as file transfers ( > > > > > https://blog.whatsapp.com/10000618/end-to-end-encryption > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.whatsapp.com_10000618_end-2Dto-2Dend-2Dencryption&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=NXBMKUweqEyjsPnLdKiYN2dxhQ18iIhqv6gKxWa8RwM&e=> > > > > > ). Just yesterday the team behind Viber announced that they will soon > > > > > have e2e encryption for all clients. The app Wire ( http://wire.com > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wire.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=s0P24iUsIb4FU2rZ9YaaIn1gsVb6jA2Oeu0YoEDq6y0&e=> > > > > > ) also does e2e encryption for voice, video and group chats. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a US Congress hearing this week, a Congressman asked a Dept > > > > > of Homeland Security representative if e2e encryption available in > > > > > apps would have prevented this interception that happened via SS7. The > > > > > DHS answer was that it would mitigate the interception of the content, > > > > > although the location meta-data would still be available. (You can > > > > > view the exchange via the link in this tweet: > > > > > https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/722854012567969794 > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_csoghoian_status_722854012567969794&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=UJf4zA4kmH2CF_OG1ESNYtGC_6hytXx1oxXRCaijN3M&e=> > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The end result is that we're definitely moving to a space > > > > > where the communication over IP-based solutions will wind up being far > > > > > more secure than what we had before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting times, > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan York > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > +1-802-735-1624 Skype:danyork > > > > > > > > > > My writing -> http://www.danyork.me/ > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.danyork.me_&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=1tJ3a90UREz7qDElplqt-_ZCxGSIQM13CbKJzTWGQJM&e=> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.danyork.com/ > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.danyork.com_&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=kSavjgKqquFSm8Dkxir_Loji91imTbDbGoi84xbo6ok&e=> > > > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/danyork > > > > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_danyork&d=CwMFaQ&c=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc&r=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ&m=K-8CAmdREf2wOzrczAmJFVezGkW7Xaf8hyrWjWDWZTM&s=xbVyAccZCDshp_g-4GjTTTbCxLtHE4qF4JCEM9YlwAM&e=> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use > > > > > of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and > > > > > confidential. 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