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From: Jed Rothwell

There is no energy input as far as I can tell from the descriptions. You cannot continuously extract energy from permanent magnets any more than you can from a spring. It appears to be a violation of the conservation of energy.

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Do you have a citation for that? I find no reference which says that permanent magnets are conservative. After all, PMs get their force from a quantum function, the spin of the electron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism

"The physical cause of the magnetism of objects, as distinct from electrical currents, is the atomic magnetic dipole. Magnetic dipoles, or magnetic moments, result on the atomic scale from the two kinds of movement of electrons. The first is the orbital motion of the electron around the nucleus; this motion can be considered as a current loop, resulting in an orbital dipole magnetic moment along the axis of the nucleus. The second, much stronger, source of electronic magnetic moment is due to a quantum mechanical property called the spin dipole magnetic moment (although current quantum mechanical theory states that electrons neither physically spin, nor orbit the nucleus)."

Electron spin is a quantum effect and likely related to ZPE, IMO.

Terry

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