At 09:04 am 20-10-04 -0700, you wrote:
>RC Macaulay writes (regarding pumped vortex motion),
>
>"There appears to be reset mechanisms built into
>everything.. creating chaos or harmony"
>
>When you think about this chaos --> harmony appearance,
>which at some level is a shared value judgement or a
>"perception" of humans trying to understand a seemingly a
>disorganized system (chaotic vortex), the "reset" mechanisms
>are actually not a huge mystery, as they are invariably the
>lower order power laws.
>
>Frank mentioned the higher order derivatives of distance
>with respect to time. What appears as "chaotic" to our
>eyes - I would guess that the term "chaos" usually begins
>with "jerk" or at least "acceleration" on two different
>vectors (which is not exactly the same as jerk).
>
>dL/dT ......VELOCITY .......moving scenery
>                            -  no problem
>
>d2L/dT2 ....ACCELERATION ...being pushed back in ones
>                            seat as the plane takes off
>                         -  no problem
>
>d3L/dt3 ....JERK............Mmm..more difficult - being
>                            hit over the head with a
>                            bottle perhaps?
>
>d4L/dT4 ....JOUNCE..........I have no feeling whatsoever
>                            for this or high derivatives.
>
>Consequently, the "reset" mechanism for "jerk" is merely a
>drop down into the lower order of "acceleration" from which
>our human sensory perception is pretty good at identifying
>(goes back in evolution perhaps, such as aiming a spear at
>an escaping bar-be-que dinner).
>
>Which brings up an interesting question in regard to finding
>free energy in mechanical motion, like a vortex. I am
>assuming that there is some there (free energy), but that it
>is very difficult to reproduce, being a fairly precise
>combination of thermo-electro-chemical and mechanical
>parameters. But just trying to maximize the mechanical
>parameters first seems like the correct way to proceed. This
>seems to be what Richard is doing.
>
>Which brings up the next issue. Lets say that "cavitation" 
>within a swirling vortex is getting pretty  close to
>mechanical "jerk" . Can we mechanically go beyond "jerk,"
>where we get the benefit of yet an even higher order power
>law? IOW the $64 question: is it possible to move from jerk
>to jounce mechanically or does that jump require the
>electro-chemical addition to the vortex parameters?
>

That is indeed the $64,000 dollar question, Jones.

Personally I believe that electric flux involves deL/dTe
and magnetic flux involves dmL/dTm, where e and m are 
positive integers and 'm' is greater than 'e'.

I think the enthusiast OU searchers are quite right to
concentrate on magnetism.

I wonder if any of them have yet passed magnetic flux
down a coiled-coil yet - or even a 
coiled-coiled-coiled-........coil.

After all look at what Faraday discovered when he passed
electricity down only a single order coil.   8-)

A good example of moving things to higher order motion is the
Hutchinson effect.

     ===========================================================
     The Hutchison Effect is a collection of phenomena which 
     were discovered accidentally by John Hutchison during 
     attempts to study the longitudinal waves of Tesla back 
     in 1979. The Hutchison Effect occurs as the result of radio 
     wave interferences in a 3 dimensional zone space volume 
     radiated by two or more high voltage sources, usually a 
     Van de Graff generator, and two or more Tesla coils. The 
     results are levitation of heavy objects, fusion of 
     dissimilar materials such as metal and wood (as shown in 
     the upper right corner of the photo), ......
     
     see: http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-hutch.asp for the photo

                                 ........the anomalous melting 
     (without heating) of metals without burning adjacent 
     material, spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate 
     by sliding in a sideways fashion), and both temporary and 
     permanent changes in the crystalline structure and physical 
     properties of metals as shown above. 
     ===========================================================

A more familiar example of something somewhat similar is, 
of course, the microwave oven.


Cheers

Grimer



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