Hey Nick. I'm still of the opinion that leakage flux is the causative agent here, at least for the conductive material being moved by the coils. I can see your explaination would make sense for the lesser magnitude effect seen with the non-conductors, although I would expect some effect due to the electric fields generated by the time changing flux. When you say the effect dissapeared when you potted the coils, do you mean all effects or just the dielectric effect?
Thanks for the experiment report, BTW. K. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Reiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: magnetic vector potential Gentlemen, I think it ws back in about 2000 or so that I came across the website of the ATG group that had developed the little nested toroid experiment. Don't recall the name of the fellow I corresponded with briefly, but I spent maybe 3 weeks trying to replicate their set-up and claims. It was with some extreme initial excitement that I was able to get some small paper punch discs and little masses of both plastic and metal to pop up into the air! I had used the same toroid diameters, roughly the same power input, etc. My suspicion began when I found that BOTH the large and small toroid "holes" would eject little masses equally. Hmmmmm. I then set the unit on its side, and suspended tiny bits of stuff by thread right in the aperture of either end, but not touching the windings. At very close spacing, I could get a tiny quick nudge, but not much more. Then, I painted some epoxy in a thin coating on the toroids, to "pot" the windings firmly in place. The effect disappeared entirely. What seems to have been happening was the applied current impulse was mechanically shocking the windings, and this acoustic energy was being transferred to objects laying on the windings, and/or the air in the hole! I wrote to the fellow at the ATG address, and we banterd it about for a while, but I had pretty well convinced myself at that point. I noticed that it wasnt long after that the info they had on their site was pulled down. I wonder if it was the same folks who re-posted it more recently, and or who got JLN interested. To any who try this out, I would suggest you try some potting of the windings to reduce the ampere force mechanical impulse. Then compare results... Best NR --- Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Horace Heffner scolds, > > > >As I recall there were recently a number of > vortexians > who doubted that > > >the vector potential can be put to any practical > use. > > > If you are talking about what I wrote then you > completely > overlooked the > > significance. > > No, I wasn't referring to any particular posting... > but, > then again, that doesn't mean that I didn't also > overlook > something quite significant. It seems that a lot of > potentially significant information gets overlooked, > if only > because there is too much of both the good and bad > variety > for any one person to deal with and digest at any > given > moment. > > Speaking of which, I stumbled across this little gem > from > Robert Stirniman, posted about 6 years ago: > > Quoting from Li and Torr's second paper: "The > interaction > energy of the internal magnetic field with the > magnetic > moment of the lattice ions drives the lattice ions > and > superconducting condensate wave function to move > together > vortically within the range of the coherent length > and > results in an induced precession of the angular > momentum of > the lattice ions." And quoting from their third > paper: > "Recently we demonstrated theoretically that the > carriers of > quantized angular momentum are not the Cooper pairs > but the > lattice ions, which must execute coherent localized > motion > consistent with the phenomenon of > superconductivity." And, > "It is shown that the coherent alignment of lattice > ion > spins will generate a detectable gravitomagnetic > field, and > in the presence of a time-dependent applied > magnetic vector > potential field, a detectable gravitoelectric > field." > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
