RE: Correa, etc.

[Zell, Chris]

I appreciate this discussion.  We need to analyse these details carefully.   Let me see if I understand what might be happening.  Is there a fundamental difference between the way a battery absorbs a pulse versus a capacitor? Does the capacitor inhibit the absorption in a way that the battery doesn't?  Or is it simply a matter of using enough capacitors?   Secondly,  Even if batteries must be used, I do wonder why pulse transformers couldn't be used to bring the voltage down to more useable levels and run a smaller battery pack.   Thirdly,  I've carefully read their patents and I didn't notice if anyone has ever done a 'calculus' of the input vs. output power.  Not being very math oriented, maybe scissors and graph paper would work for me!  If the output covers more area than the input ( using the same scale) , then OU is established. From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:30 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Correa, etc. Jeff, I can understand one reason you never saw the OU effect. You ***must*** use the Correa circuit, including the batteries. The PAGD discharge conatains a lot of energy and a single discharge will charge up any reasonable heap of capacitors to the point that the PAGD discharge is quenched. The Correas are no fools; every aspect of the device and circuit are empirically necessary. The Correa experiment does not use a plug-in power supply. It uses batteries for the source and batteries for the sink. It seems like a pain, but the batteries are carefully chosen and carefully calibrated. The proof if the effect is either in oscillograms of individual discharges -- into the battery sink -- or careful measurement of accumulated charge in the output batteries over an extended run.   It is so tempting to assume that a system like PAGD was put together without knowledge of 'real' engineering and should be easily "improved", so you do something that 'looks like' the Correa setup without actually understanding it.   Mike Carrell     ----- Original Message ----- From: revtec To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Correa, etc. I captured forward pulses in up to six 5600 mfd 350v caps in parallel.  I kept these from over charging with a load bank of series/parallel 40 watt bulbs that I switched in and out as needed to limit maximum voltage.  Reverse pulses could easily reach 700v which is well above my 600vdc supply even though there is no inductor in the circuit.  I also have a clip on ammeter on the 120vac power cord. This crude arrangement could only identify massive OU performance if it was factor of two or more.  Reverse pulses are much rarer.   You will need two 350v caps in series to capture them.   Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Zell, Chris To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: RE: Correa, etc. How did you handle capturing the pulses? Batteries? From: revtec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Correa, etc. I have been doing PAGD experiments off and on since 1996.  I saw a lot of interesting things in the tube, and captured energy pulses on diode/capacitor circuits, but over unity eludes me.  Keith Nagle posted some pictures of my apparatus on his web site.  They may still be there.  It was a whole lot of fun working with this phenomena.  I hope you try it and let us know what you find.   Jeff Fink ----- Original Message ----- From: Zell, Chris To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Correa, etc.                   Has anybody replicated any of Correa's PAGD overunity claims?  I got a vacuum pump and other gear in hopes of building something                   that apparently nobody is pursuing. (???)                     On a separate note,  I just got done reading "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". It is an astounding book.                   I have little doubt that anyone who stands in the way of our oil based economic order could be killed.  If you have serious                   free energy findings, please be careful.  You could end up like Mallove , whatever his flaws.