Jones wrote:
> Mike, > > > Moller assumes ZPE as the energy release mechanism, but the BLP > > reaction > > could produce the observed results and further experiments are > > needed. > > I agree that much more experimentation is needed, and that the > results are intertwined at some basic level, but in > Moller/Langmuir there is no loss of H2 due to hydrinos as in > Mills. > > This is a big issue. Mills must keep a steady supply of gas > flowing, not with MAHG. It is a huge advantage over Mills to have > a potentially sealed system with no need of continuous hydrogen > flow. Basic misunderstanding. The experiments Mills has posted use flowing gases to maintain a constant experimental conditions for research purposes. There is no requirement for a constant flow of gases as such. With the experimental setup Naudin uses, conversion of H to hydrinos could go on for a long time before anything would be detected, because the BLP reaction is so energetic. Given the existence of the BLP reactions, Naudin's setup is a long way from what is required to understand what is going on inside the reactor. The Langmuir data on dissociation indicate that for both the Mills and Naudin conditions, only a very small fraction of the hydrogen is dissociated. The UV energy from the BLP reactions may be able to cause dissociation also; I don't know. > > Moller/Langmuir seems to be more of a ZPE pumping action, which is > also consistent with a *temporary hydrino* being in oscillation > mode - BUT which Mills says specifically cannot exist - and Mills > does not believe in ZPE either. So Mills cannot take credit for > this, IMHO, despite the similarity and the UV photons. It is an assumption that ZPE pumping is occuring here, as in other ZPE-pumping devices. I have sent Mills a copy of my earlier post for his curiosity. He is not "taking credit"; I merely suggested to this forum that the conditions in the Naudin reactor are such that BLP reactions may be occuring. If you go to the Phillips paper, you will find evidence and discussion that BLP reactions are sensitive to the pressure in the reactor. The whole parameter space for BLP reactions has not been explored, so we don't know exactly what is going on in the Naudin reactor. A way to find out would be to insert a fiber optics probe and look for the Blamer broadening. The hydrino lines are in the deep UV where the fiber optics probe may not transmit. Mills uses vacuum spectroscopy, which is a whole other setup. > > Its too bad that Moller can show more in 15 months, publicly at > least, than Mills can in 15 years, as far as an actual complete > system-wide net OU, and in which the testing is performed > independently and with no strings attached (not that Naudin hasn't > made many gaffs in the past). Sorry, but this is not true either. What Naudin is showing is a **cell** with net OU, not an **system** with net OU. Mills has reported cells with very high energy OU for years. The output of both systems is heat with all the attendant problems of lossy conversion systems before you "close the loop". > > Mills has far more detailed spectroscopy etc, and claims a much > higher potential gain per atom, but his plasma is too thin, with > the result being that the high gain is not really relevant unless > and until he can show a system-wide net OU like this, where there > is an immediate an obvious path to self-power. > > At this point, I would say the ball is in Mills court for a very > public demonstration, if he still has aspirations of being the > seen as the title-holder, or even a contender in Hy-O-U. > > Can't you just hear the heartbreak in Marlon's voice ... "I coulda > been a contender... I coulda had class" ... > > Mills has plenty of class and tons of smarts, make no mistake > about that...but can he deliver...? > > Jones > > For the non-cinema addicted, that line was from "On the > Waterfront" mid-fifties... ------------------ The game's not over until the fat lady sings. Mike Carrell > > > > >
