----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Arnold

Wonderful, now please ask Hal to watch the video of himself disputing what he just told you and Mark. Maybe Hal forgot about his private viewing, maybe he was told to forget about it, or maybe he just wants EVERYONE ELSE to forget about his video disclosure of such an Earth-shattering discovery.

I for one am tired of Hal Puthoffs brand of scientific suppression, but if you want to believe what he said, while ignoring what he said - no wonder the USA is falling behind in scientific discoveries.

Video link... http://www.nuenergy.org/video/chernetski.rm


Whoa...who is it that we are we falling behind? And is Hal now part of the mainstream, and is he now actively suppressing working inventions, Ha - what a laugh!

Yes, I would like to view this file (when was it made?), but it is a RealNetworks format, and I refuse to let anything that the acknowledeged kings of spyware= RealNetworks produce, to run on my computer... not that MS (the creator of WMP) is any saint in regard to privacy, but I have finally gotten that media program under control now, after removing about a hundred registry entries, and I am not going to go through the same thing with another marketing tool disguised as software.

Does anyone know - Are there any .rm Codecs for WMP out there? I have been looking ever since I got this ridiculous message from Christopher Arnold, in order to see what he is talking about.

Of all people who would shy away from any kind of "suppressioin"...what an unbelievable accussation ... I cannot see how anyone could place Puthoff in that category - as no one of his intelligence has been more personally suppressed and belittled by the mainstream than has Hal Puthoff.

And yes, I believe what he said in the recent message about his results is absolutely true - despite what may been said in an old interview.... while fully acknowldging that in "any interview," recent or old - it is possible to give the wrong impression to others with a show of enthusiasm - is that what you are talking about?

Sure, Hal believes in strongly in the reality of ZPE, and in an eventual ability to tap into it - he is expected to be very enthusiastic about any invention that promises to harness ZPE - but NO he is not going to support the specific details of any technology that is over-blown - over-hyped or self-deceptive - as was apparently the case with the Chernitskii tube that Hal tried to replicate. The irony is - that tube may work, we will probably never know due to the untimely death.

H.P. may believe, and probably does believe that it actually worked for Chernitskii on occasion but that does not relieve any scientist from honestly reporting the fact that he was not able to reproduce it following the exact blueprints he got while in Moscow. THIS IS NOT SUPPRESSION. This is good science - you must report the good along with the bad, even if you firmly believe that ZPE is real.

It is absurd to accuse Puthoff of any kind of dishonesty or suppression, and until I hear some apology from Arnold on that point, I will not discuss naything futher with him on the underlying technology - which could have very well been real - even if Hal was not able to replicate it.

It would not be the first time by far that a replication fell short of its promise but ad hominem attacks are clearly not warranted in this case. One can only suspect, given these circumstances, that the "real" reason for Arnold's stance re: Puthoff relates back to a negative opinion given by Hal of Arnold's work - and I hope I am mistaken on that.

Jones

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