I agree with you, Frank, some cultures are better than others, just as some scientific theories and some people are better than others. Some cultures are peaceful while others go to war. Some cultures pretend to value the individual, while placing increasing emphasis on the state. Some cultures are too corrupt to hold fair elections and others allow big companies to rip off the population. Fortunately, we do not have such a culture.

Nevertheless Frank, I get the impression that you think a culture based on Christian principles is better than one based on Islamic teachings or Buddhism, for example. To further refine the approach, I assume only certain Christian beliefs are acceptable. I agree, Christianity in recent centuries has provided a good culture basis, the behavior of the Nazis during WWII and slave owners in the US south being big, but not the only, exceptions. But now in this century we are presented with a problem. Christianity, which is based on brotherly love and a value to all life, is believed to be in a war with Islam, a religion which represents a large fraction of the world's population and which is in control of most energy sources. In addition, we are now running out of energy, land space, and water in many regions, but the Catholic Church will not support population limitations based on birth control. The great Christian cultures are rapidly destroying the rain forests, over fishing the oceans, and polluting the atmosphere with CO2. In other words, a large number of Christians are taking several approaches that may well destroy our own culture while spending their political support and money trying to save other cultures from "evil". How do you deal with this problem?

Regards,
Ed

Grimer wrote:

At 01:55 pm 27/06/2005 -0400, you wrote:

thomas malloy wrote:


That area of agreement a leftist notion called cultural relativism (the idea that all cultures are all equally good) which is leading to cultural suicide.

That definition of cultural relativity is completely wrong, misleading and childish.


Etc. The real problem seems to be in the meaning of the word relativism as opposed to relativity. For example,
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Benedict XVI, however, has been critical of progressive Catholicism. In a homily delivered at a Mass before the cardinals began the conclave Monday, he warned against "relativism, which is letting oneself be 'swept along by every wind of teaching.' [It] looks like the only attitude [acceptable] to today's standards. We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism, which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."
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I wouldn't want to hoist you on your own petard because I think your post was very interesting and well argued.

However. I think you need to get inside the minds of people like Malloy and the Pope (and me for that matter) and recognise that we understand the word "relativism" in a different way than you might. 8-)

Cheers,

Frank Grimer



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