my question is mostly about the general feasibility whatever is the mechanism.
I think that thermodynamic consideration is what is missing in my scenario. take the mega-atom. it is probably created by consuming energy from pressure, consuming gibbs energy available. transforming a statistic group of atoms, with temperature and entropy, into a mega atom is something mysterious for me ... It looks like the superconducting or BEC transition... it have to lose heat the thermodynamic way before getting quantum intricated. --> if someone can explain how a transition from hot to intricated QM can happen ? then the megaatom, have to go to a lower energy level by emiting energy. in itself it is not a thermodynamic object (too coherent - does an atom have a temperature?no?) but if it's lose coherence it will be colder, except if some potential energy of fusion/fission is freed. I imagine that a similar problem happens when a superconductor lose coherence ? in fact my question seems to be similar to the one of supeconductivity... 2015-03-16 4:49 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: > I'm to "incompetent" but it is no hinder for speculations. > > And be patient with my bad English. > > > > If there are a hydroton or other MEGA-ATOM it may form a mega nuclear > structure before it brake downs to stabile nucleus. > > Nuclear structures like that have been proposed stabile and possible to > use for building femtotech and controlled nuclear matter. > > There was some news about it on Next Big Future. > > For example a possible proton- neutron linear whisker is proposed. > > Maybe a *pepepe.. *chain first forms a *pnpnpn..* chain and then brake > apart. > > > > Here are a citation from one of the news. > > *"All of Bolonkin's proposed femtostructures seem unstable to me. His > femto rods or whiskers are like streams of water which are * > > *subject to instabilities that cause them to break into a * > > *sequence of droplets. Imagine one of his rods periodically squeezing > inward and outward keeping the volume fixed. If the surface area is * > > *decreased the perturbation will be increased and eventually break the rod > into droplets."* > > > > Links > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/07/beyond-molecular-nanotechnology-is.html > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/10/femtotechnology-ab-needles-fantastic.html > > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/01/ben-goertzel-and-hugo-de-garis-have-new.html > > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/05/speculation-on-possible-path-to-passive.html > > http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/03/some-links-to-my-work-and-interesting.html > > > http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/01/10/searching-phenomena-physics-may-serve-bases-femtometer-scale-technology/ > > Torulf > > > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:36:21 +0100, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi all, > following different theory discussion, edmund storms theory, and my modest > understanding I am proposing a speculation about LENR. > first of all I am working in the framework of ed storms theory, not as > hydroton, but about the reason that led him to propose hydroton. > I don't care what is the animal. > His key observation is about Iwamura transmutations, and I match it with > many other strange observations : > LENr produce few radioactive products, few energetic gamma, few neutrons... > Iwamura observed that in his experiments the fusion of target elements > like Cs was involving an even number of deuterium. > Even number of hydrogen is important for symmetry, but the big surpsied is > that between 2-4-6 deuterium , it seems the non radioactive outcome are > prefered > this make me think that this is not an accident but the natural target > of the phenomenon called LENR. > Ed storms key idea is that all happen in an insulated quantum object, of > huge size, which dissipate the energy of fusion or transmutation, BEFORE > the transmutation happen... > I'm basically incompetent but I propose my (mis)understanding for > review, in the standard model framework (please no hydrino, > supergravitation... this is a game to stay in SM, like playing chess) > my story is the following. > for some reason (self building from gibbs energy) a big quantum object > appears in hydrure material. > all particles inside are intricated, and insulated from outside for some > time. > I propose that you consider that as a MEGA-ATOM... it is not a planetary > system like an atom, but a similarly insulated quantum object, build from > thousands of nucleus and electrons, a galaxy. > it have energy level, states, and thus can radiate and absorb energy like > an atom. > (this is my understanding of ed storms theory, I invent nothing, at worst > I deform) > my idea is that (this is questionable) that MEGA-ATOM when created is > not at it's bottom level because it is created from hot atoms, or from > random geometry. > it start radiating energy, by the smallest transition possible... I > propose it is by quanta much below 100keV level, as it is observed. > It may also eject some energetic particles like by evaporation cooling > the MEGA-ATOM goes to energy level like -24MeV for deuterium, -6MeV for > hydrogen, or other values for system containing impurity as iwamura > observe... > at one moment as a MEGA ATOM, because of the geometry change induced by > "cooling" the state a quantum superposition including some fusion. when the > quantum superposition disintricate it is possible that a fusion became > reality, and this correct the loss of energy of the mega-atom. > in fact I suspect that this kind of transition, because the mega-atom is > in debt, is required. when losing intrication, the megaatom have to > propose a new unintricated state that is of lower energy, this mean fused, > or fissioned. > It can also be among the allowed low energy transition. for the megaatom > transition from a state where the geometry is "compact low energy" to a > geometry more "as usual" with one fusion, may be a small transition. > of course, this fusion will produce the least possible energy results. > if it is helium, it won't be excited as with hot fusion, because the > megaatom will have transitioned to a desexcitated helium before energy of > excitation is added to an excittated helium ready to became tritium and > neutron. > I see many question in my scenario, that is where I ask for review > one is if it is possible for an intricated insulated object to fall > spontaneously to a lower energy level compared to it's non intricated > components ? > one is how can an intricated object evolve, when getting disintricated, > after being at an energy state which is impossible as it's former > structure, except by nuclear transition ? > note that I don't ask if electroweak , strong or any interaction can do > it... it is just a question on any quantum theory... a question on energy > state, on intrication,... > My idea is if it can explain the strange mystery that LENr seems to > produce among the possibilities, the least radioactive one. > If you are very very luck with dices, it probably mean the dice are loaded. > ready for review, I won't say peer review, because I'm incompetent. > >
