In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:27:24 +0100: Hi Alain, [snip]
I already did over a decade ago on this list. If all the nuclei move in unison, then they can be hot (i.e. vibrating), yet in their own frame of reference they are all stationary with respect to one another. The latter allows their De Broglie waves to overlap, so that quantum effects can take place. Effectively there is a Bose condensate of phonons. >my question is mostly about the general feasibility whatever is the >mechanism. > >I think that thermodynamic consideration is what is missing in my scenario. > >take the mega-atom. >it is probably created by consuming energy from pressure, consuming gibbs >energy available. >transforming a statistic group of atoms, with temperature and entropy, into >a mega atom is something mysterious for me ... >It looks like the superconducting or BEC transition... >it have to lose heat the thermodynamic way before getting quantum >intricated. >--> if someone can explain how a transition from hot to intricated QM can >happen ? > >then the megaatom, have to go to a lower energy level by emiting energy. >in itself it is not a thermodynamic object (too coherent - does an atom >have a temperature?no?) but if it's lose coherence it will be colder, >except if some potential energy of fusion/fission is freed. > >I imagine that a similar problem happens when a superconductor lose >coherence ? > >in fact my question seems to be similar to the one of supeconductivity... > >2015-03-16 4:49 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: > >> I'm to "incompetent" but it is no hinder for speculations. >> >> And be patient with my bad English. >> >> >> >> If there are a hydroton or other MEGA-ATOM it may form a mega nuclear >> structure before it brake downs to stabile nucleus. >> >> Nuclear structures like that have been proposed stabile and possible to >> use for building femtotech and controlled nuclear matter. >> >> There was some news about it on Next Big Future. >> >> For example a possible proton- neutron linear whisker is proposed. >> >> Maybe a *pepepe.. *chain first forms a *pnpnpn..* chain and then brake >> apart. >> >> >> >> Here are a citation from one of the news. >> >> *"All of Bolonkin's proposed femtostructures seem unstable to me. His >> femto rods or whiskers are like streams of water which are * >> >> *subject to instabilities that cause them to break into a * >> >> *sequence of droplets. Imagine one of his rods periodically squeezing >> inward and outward keeping the volume fixed. If the surface area is * >> >> *decreased the perturbation will be increased and eventually break the rod >> into droplets."* >> >> >> >> Links >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/07/beyond-molecular-nanotechnology-is.html >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/10/femtotechnology-ab-needles-fantastic.html >> >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/01/ben-goertzel-and-hugo-de-garis-have-new.html >> >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/05/speculation-on-possible-path-to-passive.html >> >> http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/03/some-links-to-my-work-and-interesting.html >> >> >> http://hplusmagazine.com/2011/01/10/searching-phenomena-physics-may-serve-bases-femtometer-scale-technology/ >> >> Torulf >> >> >> >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:36:21 +0100, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> following different theory discussion, edmund storms theory, and my modest >> understanding I am proposing a speculation about LENR. >> first of all I am working in the framework of ed storms theory, not as >> hydroton, but about the reason that led him to propose hydroton. >> I don't care what is the animal. >> His key observation is about Iwamura transmutations, and I match it with >> many other strange observations : >> LENr produce few radioactive products, few energetic gamma, few neutrons... >> Iwamura observed that in his experiments the fusion of target elements >> like Cs was involving an even number of deuterium. >> Even number of hydrogen is important for symmetry, but the big surpsied is >> that between 2-4-6 deuterium , it seems the non radioactive outcome are >> prefered >> this make me think that this is not an accident but the natural target >> of the phenomenon called LENR. >> Ed storms key idea is that all happen in an insulated quantum object, of >> huge size, which dissipate the energy of fusion or transmutation, BEFORE >> the transmutation happen... >> I'm basically incompetent but I propose my (mis)understanding for >> review, in the standard model framework (please no hydrino, >> supergravitation... this is a game to stay in SM, like playing chess) >> my story is the following. >> for some reason (self building from gibbs energy) a big quantum object >> appears in hydrure material. >> all particles inside are intricated, and insulated from outside for some >> time. >> I propose that you consider that as a MEGA-ATOM... it is not a planetary >> system like an atom, but a similarly insulated quantum object, build from >> thousands of nucleus and electrons, a galaxy. >> it have energy level, states, and thus can radiate and absorb energy like >> an atom. >> (this is my understanding of ed storms theory, I invent nothing, at worst >> I deform) >> my idea is that (this is questionable) that MEGA-ATOM when created is >> not at it's bottom level because it is created from hot atoms, or from >> random geometry. >> it start radiating energy, by the smallest transition possible... I >> propose it is by quanta much below 100keV level, as it is observed. >> It may also eject some energetic particles like by evaporation cooling >> the MEGA-ATOM goes to energy level like -24MeV for deuterium, -6MeV for >> hydrogen, or other values for system containing impurity as iwamura >> observe... >> at one moment as a MEGA ATOM, because of the geometry change induced by >> "cooling" the state a quantum superposition including some fusion. when the >> quantum superposition disintricate it is possible that a fusion became >> reality, and this correct the loss of energy of the mega-atom. >> in fact I suspect that this kind of transition, because the mega-atom is >> in debt, is required. when losing intrication, the megaatom have to >> propose a new unintricated state that is of lower energy, this mean fused, >> or fissioned. >> It can also be among the allowed low energy transition. for the megaatom >> transition from a state where the geometry is "compact low energy" to a >> geometry more "as usual" with one fusion, may be a small transition. >> of course, this fusion will produce the least possible energy results. >> if it is helium, it won't be excited as with hot fusion, because the >> megaatom will have transitioned to a desexcitated helium before energy of >> excitation is added to an excittated helium ready to became tritium and >> neutron. >> I see many question in my scenario, that is where I ask for review >> one is if it is possible for an intricated insulated object to fall >> spontaneously to a lower energy level compared to it's non intricated >> components ? >> one is how can an intricated object evolve, when getting disintricated, >> after being at an energy state which is impossible as it's former >> structure, except by nuclear transition ? >> note that I don't ask if electroweak , strong or any interaction can do >> it... it is just a question on any quantum theory... a question on energy >> state, on intrication,... >> My idea is if it can explain the strange mystery that LENr seems to >> produce among the possibilities, the least radioactive one. >> If you are very very luck with dices, it probably mean the dice are loaded. >> ready for review, I won't say peer review, because I'm incompetent. >> >> Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
