Blaze your comment is very nationalistic. That is sad. Russian people are just like other people. They deserve their results. Unfortunately they have had a long series of no good political systems. Otherwise the people are just like people. I also second Erik Walker's points. I do not think that if LENR is made in to a commercial stage that there is room for any nationalistic limitations. It sounds like several people with substantive experience are making replicates of the hot cat. That makes me think that commercialisation is on the horizon. However, it will require a lot of engineering before we can see a Spitfire model, not to talk about a jumbo jet. That engineering will not be limited by national borders. Not fully understanding the scientific requirements for proof of COP larger than 1, I find the discussion about fraud and disbelieve a little useless.It would be amazing if Rossi could influence others to imitate his idea and agree with him just because he is A.R. Undoubtedly there is a very high likelihood that a significant step forward is taken and that LENR is off the ground. (As I see it Rossi is either a person who has engineered the Kitty Hawk stage of LENR or he is the best sales man ever lived :) More and open experiments will provide results that at some point in time will make us have a good idea about how it works and the engineering can start. The full understanding might be far away as with the airplane theory, which still is under debate after a 100 years of impressive improvements.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com [email protected] +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:37 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > Jones, even at 40 kHz it is going to be extremely difficult to get enough > current to flow inside a coil of wire. Remember, they normally drive the > expansive sheet of resistive metal that has an effective resistance that is > much less than an ohm. The coils that we are using is in the vicinity of > 10 ohms. > > So, you have a magnetic field that enters a much larger area of resistive > metal when a pan is placed upon the unit than with the small coil. Then, > the length of wire used in the coil has a large series resistance whereas > the pan is more of a parallel resistance and much less in total value. > Both of these effects are working against you. > > In the RF world we would say that you are mismatching the drive source by > trying to use a load that is not proper. The load in the case that you are > suggesting would not permit the driver to deliver any significant power > into it. > > You can model a system of this type as a transformer. I am pretty > confident that you will not deliver significant power into the coils under > this condition. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jones Beene <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 11:05 am > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Am I the only one.. > > *From:* David Roberson > Ø That would ensure that the induced current within the coils was > very close. If the induction heater operates at 60 hertz then you are > going to have a very hard time getting enough current to flow inside the > coils. This is because the resistance of the wires is far, far greater > than what is observed within a metal pan. I don't think your plan will > work unless RF is used for the source power. > > Of course you will have to consider the direct heating of the fuel due to > the changing magnetic field. Recall that one of the Russian companies that > the MFMP guy visited is using induction heating that is only applied to the > fuel plus without any other coils. > > Why not use the normal easy to measure systems? > > Dave > The” normal easy way” is difficult for comparison of an active tube when > side-by-side with a control. This suggestion is meant to be used in > addition to water bath calorimetry – but a setup which is more > sophisticated than what Parkhomov was using. > BTW those hobs we are talking about use power ICs to convert the 60 hertz > to something like 40 kHz. Do you see that as a problem? > There is a certain logic to using side-by-side comparisons - which is > completely > absent from even the best calorimetry >
