I agree with Dave.

However, it is easy to say, do identical test side by side, but hard to 
demonstrate boundary conditions regarding heat transfer parameters are also the 
same.    

Thus, the testing should use easy to measure electrical heat sources and assure 
voltage is measured across each heater/reactor as well as amperage. That way, 
even if the resistance is not the same, the respective power can be determined 
for each test.  At least 3 t/c's should be used along the outside of the 
reactor to monitor external temperatures.  The pressure manometer that 
Parkhomov used would also be desirable. 

Induction heating, as Dave has indicated, would allow only a less accurate 
determination of actual input power than the resistance heating with the 
Kanthal wire.  

Care should be taken to assure that the magnetic fields caused by the Kanthal 
wire winding can be calculated considering the wire configuration and amperage 
at any time with errors based on configuration tolerances. 

A varying magnetic field will cause induction heating of the reactor materials 
in addition to the resistance heating in the Kanthal and needs to be 
determined--estimated--for each case.  Thus, electrical resistances 
(conductance) of the various reactor materials as a function of temperature 
should be used for such estimation.  Hopefully it can be shown that this 
inductive heating is small compared to the resistive heating.  As materials 
change from solid crystals to liquid metal, inductive heating changes can be 
expected.  However the relatively small quantities of liquid metal possible (Li 
metal) should limit the heating of the reactor by this mode. Crystal phase 
changes may also cause changes in electrical conductivity and should be 
evaluated.  (It may be that Jack Cole's recent experience with melting of his 
reactor materials was actually an electrical short that occurred as melting or 
phase changes happened around the heater wire.)

Convection cooling of each test is important to know and assure is the same or 
close to the same, if temperatures are to be indicative of excess power.  Thus, 
ambient air temperatures should be measured at symmetrical points for each of 
the tests, with air flows at each test being known and controlled as close to 
the same value as possible.  Errors on measured parameters should be estimated 
with justification based on experimentation and validation of the monitoring 
setup.  This may not be easy to do and should be aided by good calculations of 
a heat transfer model with appropriate heat transfer parameters.  Air flow 
meters may be warranted, at least during the model validation process.  
Examination of the respective test set ups after the testing should confirm the 
expected heat transfer parameters, including the thermal conductivity of the 
alumina tube, that were used in the model.  If the alumina loses its insulation 
property because of the fuel loading at any given temperature, it would be 
expected that temperatures at the outer surface would go up if conductivity 
went up. 

Finally, testing at each power level should be held long enough to reach a 
thermal equilibrium condition--no temperature changes for a time period--say 5 
times the time period of the power increase.  The control test which is not 
expected to incur material changes, should be cooled and retested under the 
same test schedule to confirm it is repeatable with no material property 
changes.  The fuel-loaded test should include multiple tests with only small 
variations in the quantity of the fuel loading.  A minor deminimus loading 
should produce the same result as a control test.  As I previously suggested to 
Jack Cole, it may be easier to control the LENR reaction with a smaller more 
diffuse fuel loading.

Bob     

 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Roberson 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Am I the only one..


  That would ensure that the induced current within the coils was very close.  
If the induction heater operates at 60 hertz then you are going to have a very 
hard time getting enough current to flow inside the coils.  This is because the 
resistance of the wires is far, far greater than what is observed within a 
metal pan.  I don't think your plan will work unless RF is used for the source 
power.

  Of course you will have to consider the direct heating of the fuel due to the 
changing magnetic field.  Recall that one of the Russian companies that the 
MFMP guy visited is using induction heating that is only applied to the fuel 
plus without any other coils.

  Why not use the normal easy to measure systems?

  Dave







  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jones Beene <[email protected]>
  To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
  Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 10:48 am
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Am I the only one..


Matter of fact, the windings of the two tubes to be tested can
be
cross-connected as one circuit so that induced power is identical


*       Start with an 1800 watt induction “hob” or hot plate - $70 from
Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1800-Watt-Induction-Stainless-RHAI-13001/dp/B
00GTZMHOW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426860024&sr=8-2&keywords=induction+cooker

*       Use
Kanthal windings on both tubes - of identical length and turns.
Current is
induced into the Kanthal wire by the hob. Then test the two
samples in
different orientations, but always side by side on the hob so as
to eliminate
the complaint that induction coupling is not the same  for
both. 

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