Well, one thought is that in an H atom in ground state, the electron is moving slowly (relatively) and is fairly loosely coupled to the proton as a system. Once in a DDL state, the electron is immensely coupled to the proton - this coupling will cause a big effect on the system eigenvalues.
Second, in the DDL state the electron is moving at relativistic speeds and has a mass increase due to this, so perhaps it could afford to shed mass energy. Third, I thought I remember that Hotson said that the true energy of the electron was more like 16 MeV when its spin energy was considered. If true, loss of the 0.51 MeV would still be a small fraction of its total energy. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > Bob, > > > > If the mass deficit comes from the proton – no problem. But how can the > two be considered to be a single system with shared mass-energy? The > electron is known to have fractional charge as a group effect, but not as a > charge-less particle. There is always a fractional charge, even in FQHE. > > > > I do not think that the electron can give up 510 keV – almost its entire > mass-energy, and still retain negative charge or even an identity. The > mass-to-charge ratio is a physical quantity which is widely used in the > electrodynamics and charge varies linearly according to mass AFAIK. > > > > *From:* Bob Higgins > > > > Jones, you are the first to discuss the variable mass of the proton. The > Vavra and Maly solution (which agrees with Naudts) is for the > proton/electron system. There is nothing that says that all of that energy > must come from the electron. Why couldn't it come from the energy of the > system as a whole, which includes the proton and its spin and fields?. > > > > Jones Beene wrote: > > What’s left to call an electron? > > Certainly there is no charge, since charge and mass are linear. > > Photons can’t be captured, so what is left over? > > I stand by the “almost certainly incorrect,...” > > *From:* Bob Cook > > Jones and Eric- > > Jones wrote: “The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly > incorrect,...” > > I would say Vavra makes a good case for .511 Mev in his paper on dark > matter at the following link: > > > http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1304.0833&ei=VHeXVba1CMLGmAX4lLyQCQ&usg=AFQjCNGeR5fkfAu6tTJInn03b1pOsvgRiw&bvm=bv.96952980,d.dGY&cad=rja > > > > He calls it a small hydrogen that is responsible. > > The reaction that creates the small hydrogen is an energetic electron and > a proton. > > > > I think Robin identified this paper a few days ago. > > > > It is worth reading. > > > > Bob Cook > > > > *From:* Jones Beene <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 7:12 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Fractional Hydrogen without Mills > > > > Eric, > > > > An electron giving up its rest mass and becoming a photon is NOT part of > Mills theory. > > > > Half the rest mass - 255 keV is in play for Mills, spread out in steps. > Robin has a theory with a similar value. The DDL is different, depending on > a number of assumptions, and it need not proceed in steps – ala Mills. > > > > This thread started out with another theory where there was an attempt to > tie this reduced mass value to the FQHE, but ½ is not an acceptable whole > fraction for that (it must be an odd fraction). However, FQHE is a 2 > dimensional phenomenon – as is Mills Orbitsphere, so there is natural > crossover (except Mills avoids QM). > > > > And any fractional charge relates to mass, since there is a linear ratio. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-to-charge_ratio > > > > I suppose Mills 255 keV value makes a good case for the lowest level > favoring the 2 electron configuration (hydrino hydride or f/H-) since it > returns the atomic unit to an uncharged condition. > > > > > > *From:* Eric Walker > > > > Jones Beene wrote: > > The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly incorrect, but there are a > number of values in the range of several hundred keV which represent the > total energy which can be released in 136 steps. > > > > With regard to Mills's theory specifically (not those of Maly or Vavra), > in some promotional literature for BLP that was promulgated over the list a > year or two ago, I recall seeing some slideware to the effect that as the > electron reaches the innermost level, it becomes a photon. If this > understanding is an accurate reflection of Mills's theory, it suggests that > the electron will have given up all of its rest mass. There would no doubt > be some energy left over for the residual photon, I suppose; perhaps part > of the rest mass of the electron, or its kinetic energy? > > > > Eric > > > > >
