Bob,
I don’t agree with [snip] Second, in the DDL state the electron
is moving at relativistic speeds and has a mass increase due to this, so
perhaps it could afford to shed mass energy. [/snip] IMHO relativistic hydrogen
in a lattice is a function of Casimir suppression and the entire atom is
“contracted” and appears accelerated from our perspective. I think the mass
increase is valid especially for collisions between atoms in different inertial
frames which becomes more and more plausible at the inverse cube of geometry
separation to the point fractional atoms can fit between stationary geometry
much smaller than it’s own stationary radius [TARTUS like] – the suppression of
longer vacuum wavelengths is equivalent to negative acceleration = makes us
look like the near C paradox twin such that tritium atoms would have their half
lives reduced from our perspective. I do agree coupling increases in the DDL
state but I think any molecules that form in a DDL state will be broken or at
least have their diassociation threshold discounted as random motion pudhes
them into different DDL regions.. my pet theory remains that it is the tapestry
of DCE changing space time in opposition / causing breaches to the isotropy
that is energizing the system.
Fran
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 4:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills
Well, one thought is that in an H atom in ground state, the electron is moving
slowly (relatively) and is fairly loosely coupled to the proton as a system.
Once in a DDL state, the electron is immensely coupled to the proton - this
coupling will cause a big effect on the system eigenvalues.
Second, in the DDL state the electron is moving at relativistic speeds and has
a mass increase due to this, so perhaps it could afford to shed mass energy.
Third, I thought I remember that Hotson said that the true energy of the
electron was more like 16 MeV when its spin energy was considered. If true,
loss of the 0.51 MeV would still be a small fraction of its total energy.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jones Beene
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Bob,
If the mass deficit comes from the proton – no problem. But how can the two be
considered to be a single system with shared mass-energy? The electron is known
to have fractional charge as a group effect, but not as a charge-less particle.
There is always a fractional charge, even in FQHE.
I do not think that the electron can give up 510 keV – almost its entire
mass-energy, and still retain negative charge or even an identity. The
mass-to-charge ratio is a physical quantity which is widely used in the
electrodynamics and charge varies linearly according to mass AFAIK.
From: Bob Higgins
Jones, you are the first to discuss the variable mass of the proton. The Vavra
and Maly solution (which agrees with Naudts) is for the proton/electron system.
There is nothing that says that all of that energy must come from the electron.
Why couldn't it come from the energy of the system as a whole, which includes
the proton and its spin and fields?.
Jones Beene wrote:
What’s left to call an electron?
Certainly there is no charge, since charge and mass are linear.
Photons can’t be captured, so what is left over?
I stand by the “almost certainly incorrect,...”
From: Bob Cook
Jones and Eric-
Jones wrote: “The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly incorrect,...”
I would say Vavra makes a good case for .511 Mev in his paper on dark matter
at the following link:
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1304.0833&ei=VHeXVba1CMLGmAX4lLyQCQ&usg=AFQjCNGeR5fkfAu6tTJInn03b1pOsvgRiw&bvm=bv.96952980,d.dGY&cad=rja
He calls it a small hydrogen that is responsible.
The reaction that creates the small hydrogen is an energetic electron and a
proton.
I think Robin identified this paper a few days ago.
It is worth reading.
Bob Cook
From: Jones Beene<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:12 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Fractional Hydrogen without Mills
Eric,
An electron giving up its rest mass and becoming a photon is NOT part of Mills
theory.
Half the rest mass - 255 keV is in play for Mills, spread out in steps. Robin
has a theory with a similar value. The DDL is different, depending on a number
of assumptions, and it need not proceed in steps – ala Mills.
This thread started out with another theory where there was an attempt to tie
this reduced mass value to the FQHE, but ½ is not an acceptable whole fraction
for that (it must be an odd fraction). However, FQHE is a 2 dimensional
phenomenon – as is Mills Orbitsphere, so there is natural crossover (except
Mills avoids QM).
And any fractional charge relates to mass, since there is a linear ratio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-to-charge_ratio
I suppose Mills 255 keV value makes a good case for the lowest level favoring
the 2 electron configuration (hydrino hydride or f/H-) since it returns the
atomic unit to an uncharged condition.
From: Eric Walker
Jones Beene wrote:
The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly incorrect, but there are a
number of values in the range of several hundred keV which represent the total
energy which can be released in 136 steps.
With regard to Mills's theory specifically (not those of Maly or Vavra), in
some promotional literature for BLP that was promulgated over the list a year
or two ago, I recall seeing some slideware to the effect that as the electron
reaches the innermost level, it becomes a photon. If this understanding is an
accurate reflection of Mills's theory, it suggests that the electron will have
given up all of its rest mass. There would no doubt be some energy left over
for the residual photon, I suppose; perhaps part of the rest mass of the
electron, or its kinetic energy?
Eric
